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23.11.04 01:43

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderStagnierende Umsätze, bei sinkendem Kurs?

Ich werde nicht schlau daraus.

 

GOOGLE INC CL A - : GOOG
Real-time ECN Quote*

LastChange (%)After Hours Chg (%)**Trade TimeBidAsk
164.21 5.19 (3.06) 0.89 (0.54)18:53164.03 (0.65)164.41 (0.10)


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LastChange (%)Trade TimeBid (size)Ask (size)
165.10 4.30 (2.54)16:00100.58 (1)229.70 (1)
Latest TicksPrev CloseOpenLowHigh
==+-169.40168.645161.31169.50
Day VolumeAvg Day VolVWAP52 Wk Low52 Wk High
12,372,10416,066,500164.12395.96201.60
# of TradesLast SizeAvg Trade SizeP/E RatioMarket Cap (mil)
51,01910024240344,778

7:35:29 PM EST - Monday, November 22, 2004- Exchange quote is delayed at least 15 minutes.

12,4 Mio, heute - das ist nichts!

Der Kurs fällt und die Umsätze fallen?

 

was geht hier vor? Wo bleiben die angekündigten Verkäufe?

 

Hat einer eine Idee?

Ich bin ratlos?

 

 

23.11.04 01:51

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderDer Chart

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23.11.04 02:14

36803 Postings, 8457 Tage first-henrihier treibst Du Dich rum...

23.11.04 14:33

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderVorbörslich ins Plus mit 168!

bei 120` bis jetzt.

Das niedrige Handelsvolumen machte mich auch mißtrauisch.

würde mich aber nicht wundern, wenn es nach Börsenbeginn wieder ab gehen würde.  

24.11.04 11:26

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderGoldman Sachs hat Angst um seine Puts



   

 Bid   Ask  

 GS3Y5H   Goldman Sachs   s   16.12.04   0,10   130,00   0,0250   0,0350  
 GS3Y5J   Goldman Sachs   s   17.03.05   0,10   130,00   0,41   0,43  
 GS3Y5K   Goldman Sachs   s   15.12.05   0,10   110,00   0,87   0,90  
 GS0ESX   Goldman Sachs   s   16.12.04   0,10   100,00   0,0040   0,0140  
 GS0ET0   Goldman Sachs   s   17.03.05   0,10   90,00   0,09   0,10  
 GS0ESW   Goldman Sachs   s   16.12.04   0,10   90,00   0,0040   0,0140  
 GS0ESZ   Goldman Sachs   s   17.03.05   0,10   80,00   0,0570   0,0670  
 GS0ESN   Goldman Sachs   s   16.12.04   0,10   80,00   0,0020   0,0120  
 GS0ESY   Goldman Sachs   s   17.03.05   0,10   70,00   0,0330   0,0430  
 GS0ERU   Goldman Sachs   s   16.12.04   0,10   70,00   0,0010   0,0110  
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Sie können Ihre Suche speichern, so dass Sie sie immer wieder schnell aufrufen können.

Wegen den lächerlichen weit aus dem Geld leigenden Puts um nur ja alle gegen die Wand laufen zu lassen, kommt das Researche von Goldman Sachs mit Kursziel über 200.
Unglaublich aber wahr.
Trotz Umsatzwarnung, wird Google über dne grünen Klee gelobt.
die AG hat keine Substanz, außer einer äußerst schlechten Suchmaschine.

Die Banken sind wirklich alle Verbrecher

http://www.ariva.de/board/206363/...=Google%20%2Btime%3Abyd6month&440

Nachbörslich bei 177 geschlossen über 5 % im Plus.

Kurzfristig auf einen Call setzen, wäre zu überlegen, was meint ihr.?
die Puts noch zu behalten, kommt allerdings auf den Strike an. ich bin bei 180 und das ist jetzt eng. Läuft nur bis 18 Dez.

Geht man raus, geht die Aktie danach wieder auf Tauchstation.

gruß
gs

jemand vomm TT Treffen wollte mir doch noch Unterlagen zu mailen betreff Look up Frsiten von Google.
die Homepage kann man vergessen. die Investor Relations Seiten habe ich nicht gefunden.

 

24.11.04 11:30

13793 Postings, 9213 Tage Parocorp@gs - nachbörslich ist GOOG fett ins plus gelaufen

bin mal gespannt, wo die "heute" aus dem handel geht...


...be happy and smile    Gruß: PARO  - Und wenn er sagt "Spring von der Brücke!", springste ?

 

24.11.04 16:22

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderDetails zu Insider Verkäufen

Google: 

22.11.04 13:41

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Die Google-Führungsriege macht jetzt mit den bereits erwarteten Aktienverkäufen ernst. Wie das Unternehmen der Börsenaufsicht SEC mitteilte, werden die Gründer Larry Page und Sergey Brin jeweils 7,2 Millionen Titel des Suchmaschinenbetreibers abstoßen. CEO Eric Schmidt plant, in den nächsten 18 Monaten 2,2 Millionen Titel zu verkaufen. Die drei Führungskräfte besitzen derzeit noch insgesamt 90,5 Millionen Class-B-Aktien und damit 33 Prozent des gezeichneten Kapitals und 45,7 Prozent der Stimmrechte. Am Ende der Verkaufsphase werden sie noch über 73,9 Millionen Titel verfügen.Der Venture-Capitalgeber Kleiner Perkins wiederum hat am Freitag den Verkauf von 5,78 Millionen Aktien zum Preis von 172,54 Dollar gemeldet. Das Unternehmen hat dadurch 997 Millionen Dollar eingenommen. Kleiner Perkins hatten in der Gründungsphase lediglich 49 Cents pro Anteil bezahlt. Durch den Verkauf in der vergangenen Woche hat sich der Kapitalgeber auch deutlich besser gestellt, als wenn die Titel – wie ursprünglich geplant - schon zum Börsengang abgegeben worden wären.

Quelle: BoerseGo

 

27.11.04 13:10

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderWeiter stagnierende Umsätze,die Pakete werden

noch zurückgehalten, nachbörslich leicht wieder abwärts. bei nur 6 Mio Tagesumsatz und steigendem Kurs, siehst momentan nicht gut aus für die Puts.  Infolge der merkwürdig niedrigen Umsätze würde ich mich aber auchnicht für einen Call hinreissen lassen.

Die volatitität macht alles kaputt.

GOOGLE INC CL A - : GOOG
Real-time ECN Quote*

LastChange (%)After Hours Chg (%)**Trade TimeBidAsk
179.10 4.34 (2.48) 0.29 (0.16)15:080 (0)0 (0)

Exchange Quote
LastChange (%)Trade TimeBid (size)Ask (size)
179.39 4.63 (2.65)2004-11-260.01 (1)124.812 (1)
Latest TicksPrev CloseOpenLowHigh
--+-174.76175.80175.32180.03
Day VolumeAvg Day VolVWAP52 Wk Low52 Wk High
013,794,100178.26595.96201.60
# of TradesLast SizeAvg Trade SizeP/E RatioMarket Cap (mil)
23,3778000438
 

27.11.04 13:44

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderAuszug aus den SEC Files Google

Table of Contents

SHARES ELIGIBLE FOR FUTURE SALE

 

Prior to this offering, there has been no public market for our stock. We cannot predict the effect, if any, that market sales of shares or the availability of shares for sale will have on the market price prevailing from time to time. Sales of our Class A common stock in the public market after the restrictions lapse as described below, or the perception that those sales may occur, could cause the prevailing market price to decrease or to be lower than it might be in the absence of those sales or perceptions.

 

Sale of Restricted Shares

 

Upon completion of this offering, we will have outstanding          shares of common stock. The shares of Class A common stock being sold in this offering will be freely tradable, other than by any of our “affiliates” as defined in Rule 144(a) under the Securities Act, without restriction or registration under the Securities Act. All remaining shares were issued and sold by us in private transactions and are eligible for public sale if registered under the Securities Act or sold in accordance with Rule 144 or Rule 701 under the Securities Act. These remaining shares are “restricted securities” within the meaning of Rule 144 under the Securities Act.

 

As a result of the selling restrictions and the provisions of Rules 144, 144(k) and 701 described below, the restricted securities will be available for sale in the public market as follows:

 

Days After the Date of this Prospectus


  

Number of Shares
Eligible for Sale in

U.S. Public Market/

Percent of Outstanding

Common Stock


  

Comment


On the date of this prospectus

      

At      days after the date of this prospectus and various times thereafter

      

At      days after the date of this prospectus and various times thereafter

      

At      days after the date of this prospectus and various times thereafter

      

At        days after the date of this prospectus and various dates thereafter

      

 

Selling Restriction Agreements

 

We have entered into an agreement with the parties to our Investors Rights Agreement, except for our executive officers, that provides that they will limit sales of any common stock owned by them following the date of this prospectus, as follows:     % of their shares become eligible for sale      days after the date of this prospectus;     % of their shares become eligible for sale      days after the date of this prospectus; and     % of their shares become eligible for sale      days after the date of this prospectus.

 

We have entered into agreements with the remaining holders of substantially all of our common stock, including our executive officers, which provide that they will limit sales of any common stock owned by them

 

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for 180 days following the date of this prospectus, except that they may sell a portion of their shares earlier, as follows:

 

      % of their shares become eligible for sale during a First Trading Window that begins      days after the date of this prospectus (unless that day falls in the third month of a calendar quarter, in which case the First Trading Window begins on the third business day after the next public release of our quarterly financial results following the date of this prospectus) and that ends on the last day of the second month of the calendar quarter in which the First Trading Window begins.

 

      % of their shares become eligible for sale during a Second Trading Window that begins on the third business day after the public release of quarterly financial results following the close of the First Trading Window and that ends on the last day of the second month of the calendar quarter in which the Second Trading Window begins.

 

  For any employee that is not eligible to be a selling stockholder but that holds common stock or options to purchase common stock that vest before the end of the First Trading Window,     % of that employee’s shares become eligible for sale during the First Trading Window at the later of their initial vesting date and the start of the First Trading Window.

 

  For any employee that is not eligible to sell during the First Trading Window but that holds common stock or options to purchase common stock that vest before the end of the Second Trading Window,     % of that employee’s shares become eligible for sale during the Second Trading Window at the later of their initial vesting date and the start of the Second Trading Window.

 

As these shares become available for sale and are sold into the market, the market price of our Class A common stock could decline. After a restricted person’s holding of common stock have been released from the restrictions on sale described above they will be available for sale to the public subject satisfaction of the requirements of Rule 144 or Rule 701, which are described below.

 

Lock-Up Arrangements

 

We have agreed with the underwriters that for a period of 180 days after the date of this prospectus, we will not sell any shares of our common stock, or securities convertible into shares of our common stock, without the prior written consent of Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated and Credit Suisse First Boston LLC. This agreement is subject to certain exceptions, including an exception allowing us to issue an unlimited number of shares in connection with mergers or acquisition transactions, joint ventures or other strategic corporate transactions. Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated and Credit Suisse First Boston LLC may release us from these lock-up arrangements at any time without notice.

 

Rule 144

 

In general, under Rule 144, as currently in effect, a person who owns shares that were acquired from us or an affiliate of us at least one year prior to the proposed sale is entitled to sell upon expiration of the selling restrictions described above, within any three-month period beginning 90 days after the date of this prospectus, a number of shares that does not exceed the greater of:

 

  1% of the number of shares of common stock then outstanding, which will equal approximately                  shares immediately after this offering; or

 

  the average weekly trading volume of the common stock during the four calendar weeks preceding the filing of a notice on Form 144 with respect to such sale.

 

Sales under Rule 144 are also subject to certain manner of sale provisions and notice requirements and to the availability of current public information about us. Rule 144 also provides that our affiliates who sell shares of our common stock that are not restricted shares must nonetheless comply with the same restrictions applicable to restricted shares with the exception of the holding period requirement.

 

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Rule 144(k)

 

Under Rule 144(k), a person who is not deemed to have been one of our affiliates for purposes of the Securities Act at any time during the 90 days preceding a sale and who has beneficially owned the shares proposed to be sold for at least two years, including the holding period of any prior owner other than our affiliates, is entitled to sell such shares without complying with the manner of sale, public information, volume limitation or notice provisions of Rule 144. Therefore, unless otherwise restricted, “144(k) shares” may be sold immediately upon the completion of this offering.

 

Rule 701

 

In general, under Rule 701 as currently in effect, any of our employees, consultants or advisors who purchases shares from us in connection with a compensatory stock or option plan or other written agreement in a transaction that was completed in reliance on Rule 701 and complied with the requirements of Rule 701 is eligible to resell such shares 90 days after the effective date of this offering in reliance on Rule 144, but without compliance with certain restrictions, including the holding period, contained in Rule 144.

 

Stock Options

 

We intend to file a registration statement on Form S-8 under the Securities Act for shares of our common stock subject to options outstanding or reserved for issuance under our stock plans and shares of our common stock issued upon the exercise of options by employees. We expect to file this registration statement as soon as practicable after this offering. In addition, we intend to file a registration statement on Form S-8 or such other form as may be required under the Securities Act for the resale of shares of our common stock issued upon the exercise of options that were not granted under Rule 701. We expect to file this registration statement as soon as permitted under the Securities Act. However, none of the shares registered on Form S-8 will be eligible for resale until expiration of the selling restriction agreements to which they are subject.

 

Registration Rights

 

Upon completion of this offering, the holders of 79,803,760 shares of our common stock, assuming the exercise of outstanding warrants to purchase registrable securities, may demand that we register their shares under the Securities Act or, if we file another registration statement under the Securities Act, may elect to include their shares in such registration. If these shares are registered, they will be freely tradable without restriction under the Securities Act. For additional information, see “Description of Capital Stock—Registration Rights.”

 

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27.11.04 14:01

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderFortsetzung der Lookup Regeln im SEC File

UNDERWRITERS

 

Under the terms and subject to the conditions contained in an underwriting agreement dated the date of this prospectus, the underwriters named below, for whom Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated and Credit Suisse First Boston LLC are acting as representatives, have severally agreed to purchase, and we and the selling stockholders have agreed to sell to them, the number of shares of Class A common stock indicated below:

 

Name


  Number of Shares

Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated

   

Credit Suisse First Boston LLC

   
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
   

Total

   
   

 

The underwriters are offering the shares of Class A common stock subject to their acceptance of the shares from us and the selling stockholders and subject to prior sale. The underwriting agreement provides that the obligations of the several underwriters to pay for and accept delivery of the shares of Class A common stock offered by this prospectus are subject to the approval of certain legal matters by their counsel and to certain other conditions. The underwriters are obligated to take and pay for all of the shares of Class A common stock offered by this prospectus if any such shares are taken. However, the underwriters are not required to take or pay for the shares covered by the underwriters’ over-allotment option described below.

 

The underwriters initially propose to offer part of the shares of our Class A common stock directly to the public at the public offering price listed on the cover page of this prospectus. After the initial offering of the shares of our Class A common stock, the offering price and other selling terms may from time to time be varied by the representatives of the underwriters.

 

We have granted to the underwriters an option, exercisable for 30 days from the date of this prospectus, to purchase up to an aggregate of              additional shares of our Class A common stock at the public offering price listed on the cover page of this prospectus, less underwriters discounts and commissions. The underwriters may exercise this option solely for the purpose of covering over-allotments, if any, made in connection with the offering of the shares of Class A common stock offered by this prospectus. To the extent the option is exercised, each underwriter will become obligated, subject to certain conditions, to purchase about the same percentage of the additional shares of Class A common stock as the number listed next to the underwriter’s name in the

 

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preceding table bears to the total number of shares of Class A common stock listed next to the names of all underwriters in the preceding table.

 

If the underwriters’ option is exercised in full, the total price to the public of all the shares of Class A common stock sold would be $            , the total underwriting discounts and commissions would be $            , and the total proceeds to us would be $            . We will not receive any of the proceeds from the sale of the Class A common stock by the selling stockholders.

 

The following table shows the per share and total underwriting discounts and commissions to be paid by us and the selling stockholders in connection with this offering. These amounts are shown assuming both no exercise and full exercise of the underwriters’ over-allotment option.

 

   Per Share

  Total

Underwriting discounts and commissions to be paid by


  No
Exercise


  Full
Exercise


  No
Exercise


  Full
Exercise


Google

  $          $          $          $        

Selling stockholders

  $   $   $   $ 

 

The expenses of this offering, not including underwriting discounts and commissions, are estimated to be approximately $             million, which includes legal, accounting and printing costs and various other fees associated with registration and listing of our Class A common stock.

 

The underwriters have informed us and the selling stockholders that they do not intend sales to discretionary accounts to exceed five percent of the total number of shares of Class A common stock offered by them.

 

We expect to apply to list our Class A common stock on either the New York Stock Exchange or the Nasdaq National Market under the symbol “            .”

 

We have agreed that, without the prior written consent of Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated and Credit Suisse First Boston LLC on behalf of the underwriters, we will not, during the period ending 180 days after the date of this prospectus:

 

  Offer, pledge, sell, contract to sell, sell any option or contract to purchase, purchase any option or contract to sell, grant any option, right or warrant to purchase, lend or otherwise transfer or dispose of directly or indirectly, any shares of Class A common stock or any securities convertible into or exercisable or exchangeable for such Class A common stock.

 

  Enter into any swap or other arrangement that transfers to another, in whole or in part, any of the economic consequences of ownership of the Class A common stock.

 

whether any transaction described above is to be settled by delivery of such common stock or such other securities, in cash or otherwise. The restrictions described in this paragraph do not apply to:

 

  The sale of shares of Class A common stock to the underwriters.

 

  The issuance of shares of common stock or the grant of options to purchase shares of Class B common stock under our employee stock purchase plan and/or our equity incentive plan.

 

  The issuance by us of shares of common stock upon the exercise of an option or a warrant or the conversion of a security outstanding on the date of this prospectus of which the underwriters have been advised in writing or which is otherwise described in this prospectus.

 

  The issuance by us of shares of our common stock, or securities convertible into our common stock, in connection with mergers or acquisition transactions, joint ventures or other strategic corporate transactions.

 

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The 180-day restricted period described in the preceding paragraphs will be extended if:

 

  During the last 17 days of the 180-day restricted period we issue an earnings release or material news or a material event relating to our company occurs.

 

  Prior to the expiration of the 180-day restricted period, we announce that we will release earnings results during the 16-day period beginning on the last day of the 180-day period.

 

in which case the restrictions described in the preceding paragraph will continue to apply until the expiration of the 18-day period beginning on the issuance of the earnings release or the occurrence of the material news or material event.

 

In order to facilitate the offering of our Class A common stock, the underwriters may engage in transactions that stabilize, maintain or otherwise affect the price of the Class A common stock. Specifically, the underwriters may sell more shares than they are obligated to purchase under the underwriting agreement, creating a short position in our Class A common stock for their own account. A short sale is “covered” if the short position is no greater than the number of shares available for purchase by the underwriters under the over-allotment option. The underwriters can close out a covered short sale by exercising the over-allotment option or purchasing shares of Class A common stock in the open market. In determining the source of shares to close out a covered short sale, the underwriters will consider, among other things, the open market price of shares of Class A common stock compared to the price available under the over-allotment option. The underwriters may also sell shares of Class A common stock in excess of the over-allotment option, creating a naked short position. The underwriters must close out any naked short position by purchasing shares in the open market. A naked short position is more likely to be created if the underwriters are concerned that there may be downward pressure on the price of our Class A common stock in the open market after pricing that could adversely affect investors who purchase in the offering. As an additional means of facilitating the offering, the underwriters may bid for, and purchase, shares of our Class A common stock in the open market to stabilize the price of our Class A common stock. The underwriting syndicate may also reclaim selling concessions allowed to an underwriter or a dealer for distributing the Class A common stock in the offering, if the syndicate repurchases previously distributed Class A common stock to cover syndicate short positions or to stabilize the price of the Class A common stock. These activities may raise or maintain the market price of the Class A common stock above independent market levels. The underwriters are not required to engage in these activities, and may end any of these activities at any time.

 

A prospectus in electronic format, from which you can view a presentation by our management and obtain your unique bidder ID through embedded hyperlinks will be made available on a web site. You must obtain a unique bidder ID in order to participate in this offering. See “Auction Process” for an explanation of how to obtain a bidder ID. A prospectus in electronic format may also be made available on the web sites maintained by one or more of the other underwriters.

 

We, the selling stockholders and the underwriters have agreed to indemnify each other against certain liabilities, including liabilities under the Securities Act arising out of any untrue statement or alleged untrue statement or caused by any omission or alleged omission of a material fact required to be stated in this prospectus. Pursuant to an agreement with the underwriters, we will be reimbursed for some of our expenses incurred in the offering.

 

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29.11.04 13:08

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderErtrinkt Google nun in einer Aktienschwemme?

 Aus dem Platow Brief vom 17.11.04

Ertrinkt Google nun in einer Aktienschwemme?

Google spaltete die Investorengemeinde schon vor dem Aufsehen erregenden Börsengang (Derivate v. 20.8.04).

Einer phänomenalen Wachstumsstory standen vom Start weg eine extrem sportliche Bewertung und ein abenteuerlich

holpriger Ablauf des Börsengangs gegenüber. Da die Preisvorstellungen bis zum letztlich erfolgreichen IPO aber

doch deutlich reduziert wurden, war eine Basis für eine gute Performance gelegt. Ein unmittelbar nach dem Listing guter

Newsflow, aber vor allem ein geringer Free Float und ein offenkundiger

Nachholbedarf nicht-amerikanischer Investoren (die ja alle überhaupt nicht

zeichnen konnten), sorgten für eine Hausse, die wohl keiner erwartet hat.

Nun scheint sich das Blatt zu wenden. Google sprach Donnerstag eine verkappte

Gewinnwarnung aus und auch der Chart neigt sich gen Süden. Und

das liegt noch nicht einmal an der nach dem Kurshype fundamental noch weniger

zu rechtfertigenden Bewertung (Börsenwert runde 47 Mrd. Dollar, KGV

über 200!). Wichtiger ist: Es gibt langsam, aber sicher ein „normales“ Verhältnis

von Angebot und Nachfrage, da zunehmend mehr Aktienbestände von Altaktionären

zum Handel zugelassen werden. Einen Vorgeschmack auf die Konsequenzen

bot der Dienstag: 39 Mio. Aktien kamen neu auf den Markt und der

Titel schmierte fast 7% ab. Das könnte sich in den kommenden Monaten fortsetzen:

Im Dezember und Januar endet für weitere 50 Mio. Papiere die Haltefrist und im Februar werden es noch mal

176 Mio. Aktien, also praktisch der komplette Bestand. Trotz des taggenauen Abschwungs am Dienstag sollten Sie sich

nicht zu sehr auf die reinen Termine fokussieren, sondern den Gesamttrend spielen. Schließlich gibt es auch in den USA

zahllose Möglichkeiten, Lock-Up-Fristen zu umgehen (etwa über Leihe und den Futuremarkt).

Es ist also an der Zeit für eine kleine Short-Spekulation. Bleibt die Gretchenfrage, ob der Kauf eines Put-

Optionsscheins oder der Erwerb eines Short-Zertifikats mehr Sinn macht. Für gewöhnlich sind Puts für Kursabschwünge

die bessere Wahl, da die Vola fast unweigerlich zunimmt. Das könnte bei Google aber anders aussehen, schließlich war

auch der vorherige Aufschwung ausgesprochen rasant (siehe Chart), so dass ausstehende Verkaufsoptionsscheine alle

eine ordentliche implizite Vola zwischen 53 und 71% aufweisen, was eine ausgesprochen schlechte Ausgangsbasis ist.

Da die am Markt vorliegenden Instrumente zudem vielfach sehr weit aus dem Geld notieren und unisono ein unattraktives

Omega (zumeist zwischen –1 und –2!) aufweisen, raten wir von Put-Käufen derzeit tendenziell ab.

Bei den K.o.-Zertifikaten sieht es etwas besser aus, da hier zumindest die Vola-Problematik komplett zu vernachlässigen

ist. Allerdings missfallen auch bei den Turbos die zumeist unattraktiven Hebel oder sehr kurze Restlaufzeiten,

wobei wir erwarten, dass die Emittenten in den kommenden Wochen einige neue Produkte mit besseren Konditionen

auflegen werden. Wer darauf nicht warten möchte, sollte auf ein open end Turbo-Short-Zertifikat der Societe Generale

mit einem Strike von 247 Dollar und einem Knock-out-Level bei 210 Dollar setzen. Konkret raten wir Ihnen bei dem

Papier (61,12 Euro; DE000SG3Y3X8) zum Staffelkauf bis 62 und unter 50 Euro bei einem Stopp-Loss von 40 Euro. !

 

29.11.04 13:51

25951 Postings, 8582 Tage Pichelx

29 NOV 13:49 *GOOGLE UP $2.99 AT $182.38 IN PRE-OPEN: INSTINET

...be happy and smile

Gruß Pichel

 

29.11.04 15:38

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderGewinn bei mäßigem Hebel

Das besagte Papier machte eine ganz gute Performance siehe Chart, trotz niedr. Hebel bei 2, x

Da die Vola nicht berücksichtigt wurde trotzdem ein Plus heute, warum auch immer.

Chart läßt sichnicht reinstellen.

 

bin mit meinen Puts drausen, da Strike bei 180

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KO %:+37,42%Aufgeld %:+0,95%Aufgeld % p.a.:+3,18%Spread:0,0800Spread %:+1,52%','BGCOLOR=#FFFFE1');    hideLyr('result_table_sel');    window.status='ARIVA.DE';    return true;" onmouseout="    nd();    showLyr('result_table_sel');    return true;" href="http://www.ariva.de/zertifikat/profil.m?secu=291857">DR1BYB  Dresdner Bank  Put  18.03.05  250,00  250,00  +37,42%  2,58  5,24  5,32    Ausgewählte: Zu RT-Push Watchlist hinzufügenZu Watchlist hinzufügenZu Depot hinzufügenIm Depotspiel ordernDetailvergleich für gewählte Wertpapiere   Seite: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 ...     # 1# 2# 3# 4# 5# 6# 7# 8# 9# 10# 11# 12# 13# 14# 15# 16# 17# 18# 19# 20# 21# 22# 23# 24# 25# 26# 27# 28# 29# 30# 31# 32# 33# 34# 35# 36# 37# 38# 39# 40
   Realtime-Push Kurse verfügbar.

 

Wollte den Chart reinstellen zu o.a. Wert im Platow Brief. Hat aber nicht geklappt. Deshalb die Gesamtübersicht.

        Schaut zum Putten nicht gut aus, gerade nach der Eröffnung und Vorbörsl.

mom. bei 182.

 

gruß

gs

 

29.11.04 15:41

13793 Postings, 9213 Tage Parocorpmein tipp: die $200,00 sehen wir noch,

29.11.04 16:42

1889 Postings, 7606 Tage gamblelvStimme mit Paorcorp überein

Die 200$ werden noch genommen oder sogar bis in den Bereich von 210$ überboten. Die Wende kommt meiner Meinung nach nicht vor dem  Jahreswechsel.

MFG  

29.11.04 17:33

7538 Postings, 8694 Tage Luki2Drei Google-Top-Manager haben bereits

Aktien verkauft

Nachdem vor gut einer Woche die Aktienverkaufspläne der Google-Chefs bekannt wurden geht aus einem weiteren von Google gegenüber der US-Börsenaufsicht SEC hervor, dass drei Top-Manager des Unternehmens -- darunter Finanzchef George Reyes -- bereits vor einer Woche 300.000 Aktien der Klasse A versilbert haben. Das meldet das Wall Street Journal. Den Angaben zufolge handelt es sich bei den anderen beiden Top-Managern um Jonathan J. Rosenberg, Vice President Product Marketing sowie Omid Kordestani, Senior Vice Officer President.

Aus der SEC-Mitteilung vor rund einer Woche war hervorgegangen, dass die beiden Google-Gründer Larry Page und Sergey Brin in den kommenden 18 Monaten jeweils bis zu 7,2 Millionen Aktien der Internetsuchmaschinen-Firma verkaufen wollen -- dies entpricht etwa 19 Prozent ihrer Anteile. CEO Eric Schmidt will rund 2,2 Millionen Google-Aktien abgeben. (tol/c't)

Q: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/53751  

29.11.04 17:42

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderEröffnungsgap wurde geschlossen, Kurs ins Minus

178, mal sehen, ob es weiter nachunten geht.  

29.11.04 18:02

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderDer Verkaufsdruck fehlt immer noch

bis jetzt nur unter 7 Mio, das ist nichts.
Wo bleiben sie nur die Insiderverkäufe?

Keiner gibt die Aktien aus der Hand außer den Insidern?
Die anderen sitzen und warten? und halten!

nun denn.  

08.12.04 00:09

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneidernun kommt der Abwärtstrend!

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08.12.04 19:13

3186 Postings, 7617 Tage lancerevo7Google LONG !

08.12.04 20:00

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneider@lancero Vorsicht!

Das Gap müßte noch geschlossen werden, davon gehe ich aus.Das Doji zeigt sich zwar an, aber das kann in biede Richtungen gehen.

Macd schneidet sich auch nicht , sondern berührt sich.
Eher nein.

gruß
gs  

08.12.04 20:07

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderSorry

Korrektur es ist ein  Spinning Top (Kreisel) , oder Harami,
ändert auch nichts, an dem vorher gesagtem.  

09.12.04 07:01

154 Postings, 7448 Tage Ausländerlancerovo7

wieso kann man bei einer Aktie long sein, wo KGV über 200 steht? Das erinnert mich an März 2000, wo die KGVs von Unternehmen wie Yahoo bis auf 250 gingen? Und was passierte dann?  

09.12.04 18:28

6685 Postings, 7952 Tage geldschneiderNu - hab ichs nicht gesagt,: Gap is closing!

GOOGLE INC CL A - : GOOG

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09.12.04 18:32

3186 Postings, 7617 Tage lancerevo7ich habe das gefühl,

dass die aktie noch gewaltig explodieren wird bevor sie kollabiert. ihr wisst ja wie das schnell geht. dann spielt das KGV von über 200 keine rolle mehr.

meine meinung. gap close kann sein.  

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