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24.09.12 18:57
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593 Postings, 5231 Tage informierter2010schwarzi - zum letzten Mal

Ich habe meine Meinung nicht geändert, dass WMIH ein anderes Unternehmen kaufen wird - schon deswegen, weil es gar keine andere Möglichkeit gibt, den vorhandenen Cash und Kredit zu nutzen und wenigstens einen winzigen Teil der vorhandenen NOLs zu nutzen.

Bitte das entsprechende Gesülze einstellen oder per BM schicken, wenn es denn unbedingt sein muss (hoffentlich nicht).  

24.09.12 19:00
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1645 Postings, 5554 Tage hardy14Handel in D

lt. meinem Broker ist aktuell nur München und Berlin möglich -

Frankfurt,L&S etc. glaubt er nicht.
Zitat:  solch ein Zeug wird da nicht gehandelt.....

da bleibt einem fast die Spucke weg.

Dann schaun ma mal...

schönen Abend  

24.09.12 19:11
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12820 Postings, 5392 Tage ranger100@hardy14

Hallo hardy,

Der Kommentar war doch wohl zu erwarten - oder ?

Ich würde sagen schaun wir mal. Wird sicherlich auch vom Volumen abhängen, ob jemand das für Frankfurt als lohnend ansieht - Sollte das mal der Fall sein kippen die Grundsätze (so ein Zeug - grins) ganz schnell...

was hier schon alles so für völlig unmöglich gehalten wurde......

Beste Grüße

ranger100  

24.09.12 19:37
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1893 Postings, 5504 Tage Gerusiazu Digital-Tiger

Hi,

das hearing morgen wurde mal als "pre-hearing" für weitere Verhandlungstage (27.09....) 

MfG

 

24.09.12 19:38
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1893 Postings, 5504 Tage Gerusiaangekündigt..

24.09.12 19:45
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6117 Postings, 5654 Tage noenoughhauptsache handel in D

und ein leichtes zucken ist schon spürbar!

isch doch richtig oder!?  

24.09.12 19:49
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12820 Postings, 5392 Tage ranger100Eine gute Kursübersicht

Hallo zusammen,

Eine gute Kursübersicht ( den link findet ihr übrigens auch im FAQ) kann man hier:

https://www.cortalconsors.de/Kurse-Maerkte/Aktien/...001?exchange=PNK

finden. Alle Börsen sind mit den Umsätzen sichtbar. Gute Gestaltung.

Wer etwas besseres weiss, dass noch nicht im FAQ steht (ist natürlich auch Geschmackssache) darf sich ruhig mal melden. Davon können alle profitieren !
Natürlich sollten die Links frei zugänglich sein...

Beste Grüße

ranger100  

24.09.12 20:02
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22261 Postings, 5450 Tage The_Hope@hardy

locker bleiben

Die sehen nur "pink sheet", ohne den Hintergrund zu kennen.

Gebe Ihnen 4 Wochen, dann kannste mal  auf Frankfurt hinweisen :-)

Herzliches Glückauf  

24.09.12 20:40
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1645 Postings, 5554 Tage hardy14the hope

ich bin die ruhe selbst....aber sowas von ruhig.

warum?

wenn man 4 jahre (wirklich 4 jahre?) hier bei unserer alten wamu investiert war und ist...höhen und tiefen durchgemacht hat - da fällt mir natürlich immer der 09.03.  bis 12.3. ein - dann kann einem dies überhaupt nicht mehr erschüttern. irgendwann wird se wieder überall gehandelt.

Zeit?

wir sind das warten gewöhnt,oder?  

24.09.12 20:56
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295 Postings, 5395 Tage der_erste_klon@the hope

wir sind soweit ich weiss nicht mehr als "pink" gelistet seit einigen wochen.  

http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/WMIH/quote  

24.09.12 21:22
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12820 Postings, 5392 Tage ranger100@der erste klon

Hallo Boba (oder Jango ? ;-) ),

Da hast Du etwas Mißverstanden. Das ist immer noch ein "pink sheet" Handel an der OTC. Es fand nur ein interner Segmentwechsel statt. Siehe auch FAQ Punkt 3.

Beste Grüße

ranger100  

24.09.12 21:26
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1645 Postings, 5554 Tage hardy14eigentlich

eigentlich ist es schade,
daß keine wichtigen hearings mehr anstehen.....

wir können nur noch abwarten, was ab und zu über die ticker kommt und
abwarten, was der markt macht.
ob der markt unsere wmih überhaupt bemerkt!?

wir werden sehen und
schaun ma mal

GN8 mädels und jungs  

24.09.12 21:29
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5248 Postings, 5266 Tage neverenoughschwarzwälder

Also was empfehlen Sie uns denn nun endgültig ?

Dir empfehle ich einen Psychologen.

 

Jetzt, da der Handel jederzeit für mich möglich ist, kann ich doch, abwaren, taktieren, und kaufen wann ich will.

Man will doch immer das, was man eigentlich nicht haben kann...

 

isch doch richtig oder?

 

24.09.12 21:38
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2605 Postings, 5802 Tage Rabbit59Kryo

es geht ums Ganze. Wir haben doch life mitbekommen, wie hier im Wamu-Fall beschissen wurde. Das ist ein Teil des nicht mehr kontrollierbaren Systems der Banken. Schön jetzt haben wir ein paar umgetauschte Aktien, von einer Firma ohne Geschäft mit Verlustvorcheibungen, die sind aber nur was wert, wenn einer einsteigt, wenn nicht wurden wir ein zweites mal beschissen.  

24.09.12 22:13
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6012 Postings, 5578 Tage paketixWMIH ist bei OTCQB gelistet aktuell

OTCQB is the venture marketplace for companies that are current in their reporting with a U.S. regulator, making it easy for investors to identify companies that are current in their reporting obligations. There are no financial or qualitative standards to be in this tier. OTCQB securities may also be quoted on the FINRA BB. The OTCQB allows investors to easily identify reporting companies traded in the OTC market regardless of where they are quoted.

muss aber erst noch besser werden, denn:
*** There are no financial or qualitative standards to be in this tier. ***
so looong *klonk*
/paketix  

24.09.12 22:23
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12820 Postings, 5392 Tage ranger100Anders ausgedrückt

könnte man auch sagen das Wmih vom schlechtesten Segment in das zweitschlechteste Segment aufgestiegen ist. (Jubel, Konfetti - ironie wieder aus..)  

24.09.12 22:30
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6012 Postings, 5578 Tage paketixyup, wir haben noch viel vor uns ... :))

24.09.12 23:33
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6710 Postings, 5639 Tage StaylongstaycoolMorgiges Hearing

Da ja morgen die Geschichte mit dem Oregon Department of Revenue verhandelt wird, weiß jemand zufällig, ob für diesen Claim (ich glaube, es geht immerhin um 29 Mio. $) ebenfalls eine Reserve gebildet wurde?

 

24.09.12 23:33
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3372 Postings, 5473 Tage kroetendetektorListing an der Börse Berlin

Das Listing an der Börse Berlin war schon Freitag (21.09.2012) in den Bekanntmachungen aufgeführt, die haben wohl etwas länger als in München gebraucht...

Grüße

kroetendetektor  
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25.09.12 00:42
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6710 Postings, 5639 Tage StaylongstaycoolWahuq/Piers

So, habe gerade die letzte Woche "aufgearbeitet" und gesehen, dass es während meines Urlaubs einige interessante Diskussionen bez. der Wahuqs/Piers gab. Ich werde darauf morgen (bzw. heute, is' ja schon Dienstag) noch einmal eingehen, vor allem auf die Aussage von David Sharp, die m.E.nicht mit dem FAQ des Liquidating Trusts konform geht.

 

25.09.12 00:50
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6721 Postings, 5705 Tage odin10deneue Dokumente

10701   Oregon Department of Revenue's Supplemental Pre-Hearing Submissions in Connection with the Nexus Hearing

http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120922000000000001.pdf

10702   Affidavit of Service of Leticia Salas re: e of Agenda of Matters Scheduled for Hearing on September 21, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. (EDT) (Hearing Cancelled) [Docket No. 10688]

http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120924000000000007.pdf

10703   Affidavit of Service of Leticia Salas re: Documents Served on September 18, 2012 [Docket Nos. 10681 and 10682]

http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120924000000000002.pdf

10704   Affidavit of Service of Angela M. Nguyen re: Notice of Failure to Execute Release by Holders of Claim

http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120924000000000003.pdf

10705   Affidavit of Service of Angela M. Nguyen re: Documents Served on or Before September 19, 2012 [Docket Nos. 10681]

http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120924000000000004.pdf

10706   Notice of Amended Agenda of Matters Scheduled for Hearing on September 25, 2012 at 9:30 a.m. (EDT)

http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120924000000000001.pdf

10707   Fifth Motion of Wilmington Trust Company, in Its Capacities as Indenture Trustee and Guarantee Trustee for Five Series of WMB/CCB Subordinated Notes, for Entry of an Order Liquidating and Allowing Proofs of Claim for Fees and Expenses

http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120924000000000005.pdf

10708   Certificate of No Objection Regarding Motion of Womble Carlyle Sandridge & Rice LLP to Withdraw as Counsel to Gregory G. Camas Under Rule 9019-2 of the Local Rules of Bankruptcy Practice and Procedure of the United States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware

http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120924000000000006.pdf  

25.09.12 01:06
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6721 Postings, 5705 Tage odin10deBlackstone to buy $1 billion worth of Tampa Bay ho

Dieser Hinweis kam von uzualsuzpect  aus IH
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=79809457


http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/realestate/...r-rentals/1252624

Blackstone to buy $1 billion worth of Tampa Bay homes for rentals

By Drew Harwell, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Friday, September 21, 2012

                    
           
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   Blackstone Groups says it's looking at Tampa Bay for rental properties but won't be spending $1 billion

EDITOR'S NOTE: The Times published a follow-up report on Sept. 22 which appears at the end.

A Wall Street behemoth plans to spend $1 billion on Tampa Bay's hobbled housing market, dispatching teams of brokers to scour neighborhoods and buy hundreds of homes a month.

But rather than resell the homes, the Blackstone Group is opting to become a landlord, renting the homes to tenants including foreclosed ex-homeowners burned by the housing crash.

Blackstone, one of the nation's largest private-equity firms, plans to buy as many as 15,000 homes in Tampa Bay over the next three years, many of them foreclosures, capitalizing on decimated home prices and growing rents.

The shopping spree, and those of half a dozen other big investment firms and hedge funds, could radically change the local home landscape, as big-money brokers compete with first-time buyers and mom-and-pop landlords over homes in tight supply.

"It's a land grab unlike anything we've ever seen," said Peter Murphy, CEO of Home Encounter, the largest manager of rental homes in Tampa Bay. "You're going to drive through parts of town and all of it is going to be institutionally owned."

But it's also a big gamble on a shift in the American psyche, away from home ownership and toward home renting: cheaper, easier and with less risk of financial ruin.

"Used to be a house appreciated value 3 percent every year. It was a great investment. Then everyone got burned," said PDC Group owner Nick Pavonetti, whose St. Petersburg-based firm is helping Blackstone buy homes.

"We're moving more toward a nation of renters," Pavonetti said, "and we want to provide a product to meet that demand."

Blackstone insists that the homes have at least three bedrooms, two bathrooms, less than 20 years of wear and tear and little need for repairs. Blackstone's most profitable sweet spot is between $100,000 and $175,000, Pavonetti said, though the firm is open to buying bigger and pricier if they smell a good deal.

"There's no upper limit. We can spend as much as we want," Pavonetti said. "If we've determined we want that house, we're going to be there, no matter what it takes."

Blackstone would install its own property manager and cover maintenance, taxes and insurance, Pavonetti said. He would not specify rental rates, but brokers seeking homes for other funds said rents would hover around 1 percent of the home's purchase price, or about $1,500 a month on a $150,000 home.

Blackstone brokers have begun distributing flyers offering cash-in-hand deals with quick turnarounds, "no lowball offers" and "no red tape." Many are working with local agents and banks to divine the choicest homes as soon, or even before, they hit the market.

But with nearly 200 homes already bought and another 700 deals under way, brokers still have a long way to go to meet projections. For scale, $1 billion could buy all of the 1,500 homes and condos sold in Pinellas County last month — four times over.

Unlike home prices and rents in large apartment complexes, single-family rents grew during the recession — a tantalizing offer for firms with investors hungry for good returns.

Single-family home rentals are a $3 trillion market, with 21 million homes drawing rents across the country, according to CoreLogic, a financial data firm.

And Florida, with its low prices compared to rental cash flow, represents some of the most fertile grounds for investors looking to tap into the foreclosure-to-rental market, which CoreLogic estimated could grow to $100 billion this year alone.

Most families who lost homes to foreclosure, Federal Reserve data shows, have turned to rental homes, either because they can't qualify for a new loan or because they feel gun-shy about buying again.

About 65 percent of Americans own a home, the lowest level since 1997, U.S. census figures show. Among the young, that rate is even lower: Only a third of Americans younger than 35 own their own home.

"I've been a broker for 30 years, and I have never seen more demand from the tenant side of the business," said Kevin Chadwick, who owns seven Keller Williams franchises across Tampa Bay.

"And typically, these are really great tenants. They used to be owners in a house. . . . They're used to taking care of their home. (Investors) love this situation."

Investors looking for steals have been a big part of the local market since prices dropped by 45 percent from the 2006 peak. But few are like Blackstone, the nation's biggest buyer of strip malls, suburban offices and other commercial real estate, including ownership of Hilton Hotels. Based in New York, the firm is bigger than Bain Capital, the spotlit private-equity firm once run by Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

Blackstone is embroiled in fierce competition with firms like KKR and Waypoint Homes, diving deep into the same neighborhoods and looking for yearly profits of 8 to 12 percent. Blackstone is buying in Pinellas, Hillsborough, Pasco and Polk counties.

The competition is not just for rent checks.

Bankers are looking at bundling the future payments as trusts or securities to sell to investors, much like mortgages were pooled and sold during the housing boom.

Banks and mortgage giants are getting in on the growing rental market. Earlier this month, in its first bulk sale of foreclosures, Fannie Mae sold 699 Florida rental homes to a San Diego investment firm for nearly $80 million.

Families and first-time buyers stand little chance to compete. Firms like Blackstone don't need appraisals, don't mind waiting for short sales, and pay cash on the spot for homes they want.

The home investments are stoking uncertainty among real-estate agents, who are happy to see extra business but unclear on what happens when it ends.

"This might be an incredible solution to taking homes off the market, or it could put a big squeeze on our inventory," said Century 21 franchise owner Craig Beggins. "It's game changing. But I don't know which way."

Times staff writer Jeff Harrington contributed to this report. Contact Drew Harwell at (727) 893-8252 or dharwell@tampabay.com.

EDITOR'S NOTE: This follow-up report appeared in the Times on Sept. 22:

By Graham Brink

Times Business Editor

The Blackstone Group said Friday that it might buy homes in the Tampa Bay area and turn them into rentals, but that it will not be spending $1 billion here.

The response comes after the Tampa Bay Times published a story in Friday's newspaper saying that the private equity firm would spend $1 billion over the next three years in this area buying up to 15,000 homes, many of them foreclosures.

Blackstone and other large firms are opting to become landlords, capitalizing on decimated home prices, rising rents and an abundance of tenants, many burned by the housing bust.

Peter Rose, a spokesman for Blackstone, said publicly Friday that the Tampa Bay area is one of several metro areas it is looking at for buying properties. Rose told the South Florida Sun Sentinel that the firm has started acquiring homes "in a number of cities across the U.S.," but added that the amount of money spent in any one city would be a "tiny fraction" of $1 billion.

Rose did not return phone messages or an email from the Times on Friday.

The Times was told of the $1 billion amount and other details by Nick Pavonetti, owner of the St. Petersburg-based PDC Group, which was helping Blackstone buy homes.

The Times did not confirm the details with anyone at Blackstone's headquarters in New York City.

On Friday, Pavonetti said he had terminated his relationship with Blackstone.

"I don't want to get sued. I want to stay out of court," Pavonetti told the Times on Friday. "For that reason, it's best I don't address Blackstone directly."

Pavonetti confirmed that he spoke to Blackstone officials on Friday morning.

"We did not speak about the veracity of the numbers," he said. "We only talked about how I should have kept my mouth shut."

Blackstone oversees more than $190 billion in assets for public and corporate pension funds, academic and cultural and charitable organizations. It is the nation's biggest buyer of strip malls, suburban offices and other commercial real estate, including ownership of Hilton Hotels.



by the numbers

15,000

Number of homes Blackstone plans to buy in the Tampa Bay area over the next three years

Target homes: At least three bedrooms, two bathrooms, less than 20 years of wear and tear

Most profitable price point: Between $100,000 and $175,000

. Fast facts

Blackstone Group

• The private equity investment and advisory group began with a $400,000 balance sheet; now it oversees more than $190 billion in assets for public and corporate pension funds, academic, and cultural and charitable organizations.

• Founded in 1985 by Stephen A. Schwarzman, left, current chairman and chief executive officer, and Peter G. Peterson, who retired as senior chairman in 2008.

• Notable real estate investments: Equity Office Properties, Hilton Hotels Corp., La Quinta Inns & Suites and Wyndham Worldwide.

• Other notable current and former investments: Allied Waste, Houghton Mifflin, Legoland, Universal Studios Parks, Madame Tussauds, Travelport, the Weather Channel and SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment (parent of SeaWorld and Busch Gardens).

• Its portfolio companies employ more than 700,000 people around the world. If all its holdings and transactions were combined into a single company, it would rank No. 7 on the Fortune 500 list.

• Went public in 2007 (a $4 billion initial public offering) and is listed on the New York Stock Exchange under the ticker symbol BX.


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25.09.12 01:08
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6721 Postings, 5705 Tage odin10deneues Dokument

10709   Oregon Department of Revenue's Second Supplemental Prehearing Submission

http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120924000000000008.pdf  

25.09.12 01:38
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6721 Postings, 5705 Tage odin10deneues Dokument

10710   WMI Liquidating Trust's Motion for an Order Cancelling De Minimis Liquidating Trust Interests

http://www.kccllc.net/documents/0812229/0812229120924000000000009.pdf  

25.09.12 02:24
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2648 Postings, 5620 Tage KOMA804 jahre gewartet...

...und es werden mindesten  noch weitere 4 jahre vergehen, bis manche wieder pari rauskommen! sprich der kurs auf ca. 2,50 steht! also ohne scheiss, gewinnt ein bissl abstand zum invest oder macht es wie ich und schreibt es ab (hab ich schon vor ca. 2 jahren gemacht) und versucht euer glück woanders! ab und zu mal reinschauen und feststellen, dass sich nichts geändert hat reicht vollkommen aus!

in diesem sinne - ***KLONK-GRÜß***  

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