Interessant ist die mögliche Kursentwicklung allemal, aber auch (noch) nachhaltig ? Kann jetzt nicht noch ein Rücksetzter kommen ? Wer hat jetzt schon Kasse gemacht ? Klar überlege ich mit einer miniposi rein zu gehen. Bei dem Projekt ist genug Potenzial im Boden. Wie sind aber die % p.t. zu werten ? (Man hab ich viele fragen dazu :-))
: NDM ist sehr riskant...das sollte jedem Investor
klar sein. Man kann keinen 100-Bagger erwarten, mit 0 Risiko. Deshalb nur ein wenig Spielgeld setzten!...1000...2000 Aktien...muss jeder selbst wissen, wie viel er verlieren kann ohne Schiffbruch zu erleben. NDM ist ein Longtimeplay...wenn es aufgeht...dann kann man damit in Rente gehen. Wenns nix wird...dann sin 500 oder 1000 Euro Verlust auch zu verkraften.
ich glaube, dass der absolute Tiefpunkt der Aktie im Januar war...bei 30 Cent im Spike nach unten.
Aus dem SH Forum:
Buy and Hold
I own shares in this company and have been patiently waiting. IMO the resource is just too big to not get mined. The last 3 days, the volume has gone up significantly. And the s/p has gone up, If something indeed is in the works, a s/p of 56 cents is mere chicken feed. In the escalating gold price environment, plus all the other metals including the copper, this could be sellling for $100 a share. If it starts seriously heading up, there's no way I'm selling cheap.
The American's are a very industrious people. Surely they can find a way to mine it and protect the fish at the same time. Alaska definitely needs the jobs and the US needs more of a northern presence plus they could sure use the metals.
Hat sich bei Northern Dynastie was eintscheidendes entwickelt, in Bezug auf die neue Mine? Es hat ja da in der Vergangenheit ziemlichen Gegenwind gegeben. Nicht nur, dass das Land die Mine ablehnt, sondern auch private Initiativen, so zum Beispiel Juweliere, die kein Edelsteine oder Gold aus dieser Mine kaufen wollen? Hat sich jetzt mit dem Anfechten der Studie etwas Grundlegendes geändert? Danke, wenn jemand mehr weiß und es hier schreiben würde.
hab mich erst seit gestern eingelesen. Jetzt nach einer Nacht, mich gegen ein Investiert entschieden und bin woanders rein ( Bargeldloses Bezahlsystem) . Das chancen- Risiko Verhältnis war mir persönlich zu hoch. Ich bin hier weg.
Pebble Mine debate in Alaska: EPA becomes target by planning for rare ?veto?
An aerial view of braided wetlands and tundra that is typical of the Bristol Bay watershed in Alaska. (Courtesy of Environmental Protection Agency)
By Joby Warrick February 15, 2015 ?
Just north of Iliamna Lake in southwestern Alaska is an empty expanse of marsh and shrub that conceals one of the world?s great buried fortunes: A mile-thick layer of virgin ore said to contain at least 6.7 million pounds ? or $120 billion worth ? of gold.
As fate would have it, a second treasure sits precisely atop the first: the spawning ground for the planet?s biggest runs of sockeye salmon, the lifeline of a fishery that generates $500 million a year.
Between the two is the Obama administration, which has all but decided that only one of the treasures can be brought to market. How the White House came to side with fish over gold is a complex tale that involves millionaire activists, Alaska Natives, lawsuits and one politically explosive question: Can the federal government say no to a property owner before he has a chance to explain what he wants to do?
As early as this spring, the Environmental Protection Agency is expected to invoke a rarely used legal authority to bar a Canadian company, Northern Dynasty Minerals Ltd., from beginning work on its proposed Pebble Mine, citing risks to salmon and to Alaska?s pristine Bristol Bay, 150 miles downstream. The EPA?s position is supported by a broad coalition of conservationists, fishermen and tribal groups ? and, most opinion polls show, by a majority of Alaskans. National environmental groups, Hollywood celebrities and wealthy activists have made the defeat of the mine a top priority, raising millions of dollars to campaign against it.
But the more consequential fight may be over how the mine is being blocked. By employing a rare preemptive ?veto? ? a tactic used only once in this manner in 40 years ? the EPA has made itself the target of congressional Republicans who say the agency has stepped far outside the boundaries lawmakers envisioned with the adoption of the Clean Water Act in the 1970s.
The agency?s handling of the case has prompted two lawsuits, one of which accuses the EPA of violating the 1972 Federal Advisory Committee Act, or FACA, intended to prevent unfair outside influence in government decisions. The EPA?s inspector general recently expanded a months-long investigation into the agency?s handling of the case.
Adding to the uproar are thousands of pages of internal EPA documents obtained by Northern Dynasty and released publicly to bolster its claims of improper collusion between the agency and mining opponents. The documents have spurred allegations that the EPA coordinated local opposition to the mine, coaching indigenous Alaskan groups in preparing petitions that would serve as the basis for a preemptive veto of the company?s mining permit.
Company officials say the documents show an intent to kill the project in its early stages rather than risk a formal permitting process that the agency might not be able to control.
?The EPA doesn?t gain any additional authority by using a preemptive veto, and there?s no increase in environmental protection,? said Tom Collier, the chief executive of Pebble Partnership, the Northern Dynasty subsidiary responsible for developing the mine. ?They?re doing it so they can avoid the rigor and intensity of a proper review.?
EPA officials say they were prompted to take unusual steps to preserve a rare national resource: A pristine habitat that sustains one of world?s most important fisheries, including half of the global supply of wild sockeye salmon.
?This really is one of the last best places,? said Dennis McLerran, who heads the EPA?s regional district that includes Alaska and the Pacific Northwest. ?This is an undisturbed watershed and an incredible economic powerhouse that supports both a large commercial industry and a subsistence fishery? relied upon by generations of Alaska Natives.
EPA officials rejected claims of unfair influence, saying the documents released by Dynasty fail to show the scores of meetings the agency held with supporters of the mine, from Dynasty executives to Alaskan politicians to a South African diplomat who weighed in on Dynasty?s behalf.
A worker with the Pebble Mine project test-drills in the Bristol Bay region of Alaska near the village of Iliamma in this July 13, 2007, file photo. (AL Grillo/AP)
?EPA does business with an open door,? McLerran said. ?This has been one of the most open and transparent processes that could have been designed.?
Other administration officials defended the EPA?s move as sparing both the company and taxpayers a protracted and costly permitting process that would have, in any conceivable scenario, ended with a denial. But one senior official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of ongoing litigation, acknowledged that the agency?s actions carried more than the usual amount of political risk.
?In doing the right thing, environmentally, the EPA is acting on the edge of its authority,? the official said.
An open-pit mine
The proposed future site of the Pebble Mine is a desolate stretch of Alaska?s southwestern coastal plain, just north of Bristol Bay and 200 miles southwest of Anchorage. The region?s marshy lowlands are dotted with kettle lakes and crisscrossed by countless streams. In the spawning season, icy rivers turn into roiling torrents of red fish as tens of millions of Pacific salmon make their way inland to spawn.
Gold was discovered in the region nearly 30 years ago. After years of exploration, developers began to focus on an unpopulated stretch about 200 miles southwest of Anchorage. There, just beneath the surface, is a layer of silt and rock that contains the raw ores for gold as well as copper and molybdenum, a costly metal used in high-strength alloys.
The gold exists not in nuggets or flakes but in fine particles that must be extracted through an industrial process that involves pulverizing the ore and using cyanide and other chemicals to separate the valuable metals.
To extract the gold profitably requires excavating huge amounts of soil and rock from an open-pit mine that could, according to preliminary design plans, eventually cover a seven-square-mile area, making it one of the world?s largest. The project would create mountains of rocky spoils, while the wastewater from extracting the ore would be kept in large containment ponds.
The sheer size of the mine means that miles of streams would be excavated or buried under waste rock. A 627-page scientific assessment issued by the EPA last year concluded that up to 94?miles ?of salmon-supporting streams? and up to 5,350 acres of wetlands and ponds would be displaced by the mine.
The study ? based on preliminary design details from Northern Dynasty?s filings to financial regulators ? also warned of the possibility of a dam failure that could send wastewater surging into nearby streams and possibly Bristol Bay, damaging or destroying the salmon fishery.
The report echoed warnings that opponents of the mine have been voicing for years. Native groups have recently sponsored radio ads in Alaska pointing to last summer?s breach of a similar gold-mine tailings pond in British Columbia.
?Pebble Mine would put a three-mile-wide hole and 9 billion tons of waste right in the heart of Bristol Bay,? said one ad sponsored by Nunamta Aulukestai, a coalition of 10 tribal groups. ?Even a small leak could kill the fish, devastate native tribes and wildlife and put thousands of Alaska jobs at risk.?
Pebble officials acknowledge that miles of streams will probably be lost or covered up if the mine project moves forward. But they point to millions of dollars? worth of design work on redundant systems to guard against spills. Collier, the Pebble CEO and a high-ranking Interior Department official during the Bill Clinton administration, said the company was committed to enhancing the health of the salmon population in the surrounding region by removing natural barriers to salmon migration and ensuring a steady flow of water during dry months.
?This isn?t toxic sludge that we?d put into our tailings ponds. It?s sand, with a thin layer of water on top,? Collier said. ?But the point is, the EPA has no idea what we?re going to propose because we haven?t put our designs on the table. They?ve gone ahead and said we can?t build this mine based on their assumptions about what we?re going to do.?
Trefon Angasan, who heads an association representing tribes along Alaska?s southwest coast, said the EPA was preempting not just a mine but also a hoped-for future for many in an impoverished region where jobs are scarce.
?Congress gave us these lands when they took away our aboriginal hunting and fishing rights, and they said we had to maximize our economic opportunities,? said Angasan, who like others in his tribe has sometimes taken work from Northern Dynasty contractors preparing the site for mining. While acknowledging that Alaska Natives have mixed views about the mine, he said an EPA veto ?defies the American way.?
?We want the process to work itself out so we can see if they can do this mine in a sustainable way,? he said. ?If they can?t, so be it. If they can, more power to them. We certainly need the work.?
A rare step
When EPA officials announced last year that regulators were considering a preemptive move against the mine, EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy described the approach as ?not something the agency does very often.?
It was an understatement. Each year, thousands of permit applications are reviewed by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the federal agency with jurisdiction over the discharge of dredging and filling into rivers and wetlands. Since the Clean Water Act was passed in the 1970s, the EPA has invoked the law?s 404-C veto provision 13 times. In only one of those instances ? a case involving an agricultural project ? was the veto issued before a permit application was filed.
The use of the 404-C provision allows the EPA to permanently bar the Army from issuing a permit for any activity that is deemed to have an ?unacceptable adverse effect on municipal water supplies, shellfish beds and fishery areas.? McCarthy said the action was justified because of the ?extraordinary and unique resource? that is Bristol Bay.
But the rare step to preemptively block a proposed industrial project has drawn condemnations from many Republican lawmakers, and even from some Democrats who oppose the mine. Former senator Mark Begich (D-Alaska) last year called the Pebble project ?the wrong mine for the wrong place,? even as he lashed out against the Obama administration for circumventing normal reviews. ?I am skeptical of federal overreach from an administration that has already demonstrated it does not understand Alaska?s unique needs.?
Sen. Lisa Murkowski, the Alaska Republican who last month took over the chairmanship of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, said the move sets a precedent that ?strips Alaska and all Alaskans of the ability to make decisions on how to develop a healthy economy on their lands.?
Republicans have seized on the newly released EPA documents in challenging the agency?s explanation for why it decided that the mine deserved special scrutiny. EPA officials have said publicly that the agency?s intervention was prompted by a May 2010 petition from six Alaskan tribes formally asking for the preemptive veto on the Pebble Mine.
But the internal documents, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, show agency officials advocating a veto as early as 2008, encouraged by outside groups opposed to the mine.
In one newly released e-mail provided to The Washington Post, a key anti-mine group sought the EPA?s advice in preparing the petition that would become the basis for using the 404-C clause against Pebble. The e-mail, written by a lawyer for anti-mine Alaskan tribes, is dated Jan. 8, 2010, five months before the EPA was formally asked to intervene in the case. The note is addressed to a private e-mail account of the EPA?s leading field biologist in the Pebble fight, and it solicits ?suggestions, revisions or edits? on a draft of a petition asking the EPA to stop the mine.
Similar documents have been leaked to news organizations during the past six months. One memo, also dated January 2010, was part of a presentation to then-EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson explaining the pros and cons of using the Clean Water Act?s veto authority. A trail of records covering a six-year period shows extensive interaction with anti-mine activists in Washington and Alaska.
Documents obtained by the mining company show more than 500 individual contacts between agency employees and activists.
In other records, environmental groups supply their own scientific assessments and studies for incorporation into the EPA?s environmental review of the proposed mining project, and even help plan trip itineraries for EPA officials visiting the Bristol Bay area.
Collier said the documents raise questions, at least about improper influence.
?It?s a man-bites-dog story,? he said. ?We?re conditioned to be so vigilant against the possibility that industry officials are sleeping with the regulators and influencing their decisions in a way that doesn?t protect the public interest. Clearly, this can happen both ways.?
EPA officials said the documents provide a one-sided view of a deliberative process that also included extensive contacts and large quantities of data from pro-mining groups. ?We meet with people on all sides,? said McLerran, the EPA regional administrator.
In the end, McLerran said, the most persuasive arguments came not from petitions or advocacy groups but from the agency?s scientific review. Although the agency may have lacked some of the fine detail about the size and shape of a future Pebble Mine, the choice the agency faced became sufficiently clear, McLerran said.
?We found enough of a basis to determine what mining in that watershed would look like,? he said.
Correction: This story misstated the job title of an EPA official who communicated with activists fighting the mine. The official is a field biologist, not an attorney. This version has been corrected.
Hier schlummert wohl ein gigantisches Rohstoffdepot. Dazu ein paar Gedanken: Sollte tatsächlich irgendwann mit dem Abbau begonnen werden, wird das wahrscheinlich die Preise der betreffenden Rohstoffe beeinflussen, d.h. sie werden sinken, wenn sie auf den Markt kommen.
Sollte weiterhin der Abbau verweigert werden, könnte das die Preise der betreffenden Rohstoffe nach oben katapultieren.
Beides wirkt sich natürlich auch auf den Wert der Unternehmen aus, die die "Pebbles-"Rohstoffe zur Zeit oder in absehbarer Zeit fördern.
Wäre es da keine gute Idee, sich sowohl eine kleine Position NDM ins Depot zu legen, ebenso aber auch Positionen anderer, diese Rohstoffe abbauender, Unternehmen?
Sollte sich ein Denkfehler eingeschlichen haben, bitte ich um entsprechenden Hinweis.
Marin Katusa has worked directly with and financed many companies of well-known individuals in the resource industry and has become one of the most trusted and well connected deal makers in the junior resource sector.
NDM hatte damals nur das halbe Pebbles Project im Portfolio. Heute das Ganze! Sind also rein theoretisch knapp 8 000 % zum 2011 Top. Und die Investoren in 2011 kauften die Aktie, weil sie einen 10-Bagger einfahren wollten!!! Man wagt es ja kaum zu schreiben...aber NDM könnte mit viel viel Glück eine
Ganz so optimistisch wie rumpelofen bin ich nicht, aber ich bin der Meinung, wenn man die Chance hat, das Kapital zu vervielfachen, dann kann man auch das Risiko eines Totalverlustes eingehen. Bei Northern Dynasty folgere ich aus den Berichten und Zahlen, dass es hier super Chancen gibt und der Wert im Moment eigentlich nur die Substanz wiederspiegelt. Also ich bin voller Überzeugung rein.
: Kleine Zocker-Position kann nicht schaden.
Also Leute...riskiert hier nicht euer ganzes Vermögen! Ich selbst bin auch nur mit ein wenig "Spielgeld" dabei. Meistens ärgert man sich später...wenn der Aktienpreis davongelaufen ist...dass man am Anfang mit nur recht wenig Kapital eingestiegen ist. Doch kann es auch durchaus sein...dass dieses Kapital am Ende futsch ist.
Fakt ist jedoch: Wer nix wagt...der nix gewinnt. Und wer anfängt Lotto zu spielen...der hat bei NDM wesentlich bessere Chancen.
Wie schon geschrieben...Sprott besorgt sich nicht über 5 % der Aktien um Peanuts zu gewinnen. Hier könnte richtig richtig fett was laufen!
: Bei diesem Interview aufmerksam zuhören
Hier spricht Rick Rule (zig-facher Millionär)...er ist Chef von "Sprott-USA". Es wird auch auf NDM hingedeutet. Als neg. Beispiel wie man es nicht machen sollte! ...NDM wirft( daraufin?) 6 Manager aus dem Board!
Und urplötzlich steigt Sprott bei NDM ein!!! Und zwar mit über 5 % der Aktien...sodass man meldepflichtig ist.
Katusa und Rule (Sprott USA Chef). Beide sind eingestiegen! Katusa hat neulich den NDM Chef interviewt. Daraufhin ist Katusa eingestiegen...und empfiehlt seither die Aktie zum Kauf. ...kann man alles nur nachlesen, wenn man bei Katusa Research zahlender Kund ist.
Auf jeden Fall kennen sich die 2 "Vögel" seit langem... die wissen sicherlich mehr als als Rumpelofen und co...lol
Rule ist richtig fetter Milliardär. Der hatte mit Paladin Energy (resources) schon einen 1000-Bagger im Portfolio. Auf KingWorldNews wird er oft als "one of the richest men in the financial sector" betitelt.
kann ich ja jetzt maximal 2 Jahre warten, ob meine 500 Euro zu 10000 Euro werden, oder sich in Rauch auflösen. Das Chance-Risiko Verhältnis scheint OK, besser jedenfalls als ein normaler Optionsschein.
NDM is cashed up. They will have what they need to take the fight to the EPA. Of interest is that investors would put up $19 mill. Why waste your money if there is no hope? Sure, its what many see as a long shot, but with my very limited knowledge, I think that NDM has a good case. Here we have a gold bull market, a lousy US economy, a need for jobs in Alaska, a $155 mill study that says that Pebble would transform the economy of the region all the while protecting the fish, throwing imense amounts of tax cash to the gov't coupled with obvious malfeasance on the part of overly zealous lawbreaking so-called enviornmentalists.
Its a railroad job, as in an in your face, barefaced railroad job. NDM left no stone unturned in terms of demonstrating that the mine would satisfy all the people of Alaska and some hokey $5 mill of misspent money is supposed to effectively dismiss it ?? Huge huge huge dollars have been spent on this project. There is no way in the world that all that hard earned moeny would have ever been spent if there wasn't a very high degree of certainty that the project would be approved. But, by using the delay, put off, burn their time and resources, pander to green radicals and the emotions of an uninformed public that won't take 2 minutes to read the material mindset tactics, (as recorded and stated in the long perfected "How to screw people manual") along with the severe downturn in the POG for 5 years, NDM faced the perfect Negative Storm.
But, we are now seeing a reversal on all fronts. It the USA is a country of laws, it must at least thoroughly investigate the case, and it will. And the once giant NDM has now become the "underdog" and all Americans have a soft spot for the gov't screwed underdogs.
When this thing gets sorted out, and if NDM comes out on top, hang on to your seatbelts. $10.00 in a heart beat. Then the real action will start.