Israel plant massiven Militärschlag

...wilma_Dieter, Du schreibst Unfug.

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Wo gibt es dafür einen Grund?
Ausser Boshaftigkeit und Hass auf das andere Volk?

..............

Es gab und es gibt keinen Grund, und erst Recht keine Berechtigung für diese grosse Unmenschlichkeit!***



Es gibt tausend Gründe; der wichtigste ist, daß man das Existenzrecht Israels nicht anerkennt und Israel von der Landkarte kratzen möchte...

...anderen Gründe sind:

- Selbstmordattentate
- Bomben an Bushaltestellen
- Tunnel zum Schmuggeln von Waffen, Sprengstoff und Menschen mit dem Ziel, Israel anzugreifen...


Der Verbrecherbande Hamas und all den anderen sog. "Führern" der Palästinenser sind doch das Schicksal und die Leiden ihrer Bevölkerung scheißegal.

Auch Geld genug wäre vorhanden, um der Bevölkerung zu helfen (nur ist es nicht in den Händen derer, die das wirklich wollen).

Es hilft nur israelische Härte. Die einzige Sprache, die verstanden wird.



MfG
kiiwii  

Es ist so unendlich schwer, den Überblick zu haben, in diesem Konflikt. Ich glaub aber nicht, dass der Hass nur von Israelis auf Palästinenser da ist, sonder auch von Palästinensern auf Israelis. Dieser geggenseitige Hass  ist in eine rlangen Phase gewachsen und heut schier unüberwindlich.

Dieser neuerliche Einmarsch war übertrieben, heizt den Konflikt noch mehr an, das seh ich auch, aber es ist das große Bild, dass den Ausschlag gibt, viele gegenseitige Provokationen, und ich glaube dir ehrlich gesagt nicht so recht, dass es dir nur darum geht "dass dieser Krieg nicht notwendig war" (kann sein , ich täusch mich, dann entschuldige). Dann würdest du nicht so teilweise selbst voller Hass schreiben, und Hass, in Gedanken, Worten oder Taten, ist imme rverkehrt. Als Christ (bist du doch) müsstest du das eigentlich wissen.

Zara

ps weißt du denn alles, dass du objektiv sein kannst?  

The suffering of the Palestinian nation inflicted by the Israeli occupation extends beyond those killed and injured by the occupying army and paramilitary “settlers”.

The International Federation of Human Rights Leagues (FIDH) recently issued a strong condemnation of the scale of the "economic sanctions" imposed on the Palestinians through the suspension of direct international aid.

"In effect the Palestinian people have been subjected to economic sanctions -- the first time that an occupied people have been so treated," the FIDH said on Friday.

The Federation’s report came following a two-week mission to the Palestinian territories, three months after the United States and its European allies decided to punish the Palestinian nation for electing the anti-occupation movement, Hamas, and that by cutting off direct aid sent yearly to the Palestinian Authority.

"Inevitably this economic strangulation has had a severe impact on the economic life of Palestinians and their human rights," it said in a report.

"About one million of Palestine's 3.5 million population are directly affected by the non-payment of salaries while, indirectly, the whole population suffers economically," the FIDH added.

The Palestinian economy has surely deteriorated as a result of the recent escalation in Gaza, which inflicted serious damage on the Palestinian infrastructure.

In the wake of Israel’s recent military offensive in the Gaza Strip, which has been condemned by rights groups, Arab leaders and Palestinian officials as unacceptable and unjustified, the UN Human Rights Council on Thursday condemned Israel’s onslaught in the Strip, approving a resolution calling on Israelis and Palestinians to refrain from violence against civilians.

The resolution said that the Israeli offensive breaches international humanitarian law.

In the resolution, the Council:

- Expressed “grave concern at the violations of the human rights of the Palestinian people caused by the Israeli occupation, including the current extensive Israeli military operations against Palestinians in the Occupied Palestinian Territory;

- Demanded “Israel, the occupying Power, end its military operations in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, abide scrupulously by the provisions of international humanitarian law and human rights law, and refrain from imposing collective punishment on Palestinian civilians;

- Expressed “grave concern at the detrimental impact of the current Israeli military operation on the already deteriorating humanitarian conditions of the Palestinian people;

- Urged “Israel, the occupying Power, to immediately release the arrested Palestinian ministers, members of the Palestinian Legislative Council and other officials, as well as all other arrested Palestinian civilians;

- Urged “all concerned parties to respect the rules of international humanitarian law, to refrain from violence against the civilian population and to treat under all circumstances all detained combatants and civilians in accordance with the Geneva Conventions;

- And called “for a negotiated solution to the current crisis.”

A recent United Press International article warned against a looming humanitarian crisis in the occupied Palestinian territories given the great challenges facing the Palestinian healthcare system, not equipped enough to handle the latest spasms of violence that ripped through Gaza since Israel began its wide range military offensive last month.

The most basic medications have become scarce, warned Dr. Rasmi Abu-Helu, assistant professor of medical technology at Al-Quds University.

In a recent presentation, Dr. Rasmi stated that the root of the problem is financial, stressing that the international aid cuts following Hamas’ election last January helped aggravate the situation.

“It`s not only Israel, but the entire Western world,” he said. “Nowadays I don’t think there`s any international aid getting inside.”

There are 731 public healthcare centers operating in the Palestinian territories; 277 villages lack clinics. This means that every two centers are required to serve 2,000 people, which is hardly sufficient, Dr. Abu-Helu added.

Also there’s only one hospital serving every 47,000 people.

According to Nidal Ibrahim, executive director of the Arab American Institute, facilities are not provided with the needed stocks.

Mr. Ibrahim said that the area hasn’t received any of the basic supplies such as syringes, bandages, gauze and antibiotics for at least two or three weeks.

“I think the deterioration of the healthcare system in the area has reached crisis proportions,” Mr. Ibrahim warned.

Another striking fact mentioned is that healthcare providers are facing threats to their personal safety.

Dr. Abu-Helu further stated that medical facilities and ambulances are often attacked, resulting in the death of 36 medical staff members and the injury of 443 others.

“There are checkpoints for people, checkpoints for ambulances, checkpoints for workers, even checkpoints for animals,” Dr. Abu-Helu said.

Israeli checkpoints made it increasingly difficult for emergency vehicles to cross borders, which is crucially needed with supplies running so low.

Another problem is that the Palestine Authority lacks “the infrastructure, the expertise, and the equipment” required to provide proper healthcare, given the current shortage in resources, Dr. Abu-Helu added, stressing that increased funding is essential.

“We are trying to approach the right people, the right countries, to stop this blockade. We must get them to differentiate between humanitarian and political issues,” Dr. Abu-Helu told United Press International.

Poverty in the Palestinian territories is on the rise due to Israel’s continuous closure of border crossings and strict measures that have negatively affected the already fragile Palestinian economy.

The World Bank warned in March that by the year end, the average personal income would have decreased by 30 per cent and poverty levels would have risen from 44 per cent to 67 per cent.

However, in the wake of recent developments in the occupied territories, the Bank found out that those figures were “too optimistic”.

Last week, the Special Rapporteur on the Right to Health renewed appeals to the International Community to build on its temporary mechanism for assistance to the Palestinian nation.

The International Community has failed the Palestinian people, whose human rights have been neglected over the long years of the conflict.
 

"What about kidnapping Palestiniens" ?


The Israeli government ignored an ultimatum set by Palestinian groups holding Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit and instead of negotiating to secure his release, it ordered the Israeli occupying army to target "terrorists and those who sent them" - an apparent threat to Syria.

Palestinian resistance fighters holding 19-year-old Israeli Cpl. Gilad Shalit said they would not kill him even if Israel flouted their deadline to start freeing Palestinian woman prisoners it holds (about 35), all the under-18-year-olds (about 300) and 1,000 of the oldest and sickest of the Palestinian prisoners.

More than 9800 Palestinian prisoners are imprisoned in Israeli jails, but the fate of these detainees is not mentioned in the U.S.-backed peace plan for the Middle East, known as the roadmap.

They live in unbearable and humiliating conditions which increases their mental and physical suffering. Prison authorities inside Israeli jails have long been criticised for the inhuman and abusive methods they use against those detainees. They also deny those prisoners' families the right to visit and stay in contact with their jailed relative members.

These procedures, considered blatant violations of the international humanitarian laws and human rights conventions, are aimed at humiliating the prisoners and breaking their spirits.

Besides all that, hundreds Palestinians had been kidnapped by the IOF (Israeli Occupation Forces) without any condemnation from the International community, now urging Palestinians to release Shalit, a member of the army occupying their lands.

Those who had been kidnapped by Israel as “suspects” will never stand trial

On Ynetnews, an Israeli soldier tells the story of how he kidnapped a 17-year-old Palestinian boy 10 years ago in Nablus, simply because the boy knew "someone" who had done "something."

The soldier said he and a group of IOF soldiers took the Palestinian hostage, tied up with a burlap sac over his head, to "Scream Hill" interrogation center. And there, the boy was brutally beaten, violently shaken and deprived of sleep for weeks and may be months- he’s not sure.

The criminal and unjustified kidnapping of a Palestinian teen didn’t receive any attention from world press, and none of the European diplomats, now calling on Palestinians to release Shalit, called for helping him. This is probably because there was nothing out of the ordinary about the kidnapping of this Palestinian kid.

Over the past long years of occupation in the Palestinian territories, Israel has kidnapped thousands of Palestinians, exactly like Gilad Shalit was captured, the only difference is that those people it holds as suspects are civilians, mostly teenagers, who had done and know nothing, where Gilad Shalit is a member of the army occupying the Palestinians’ lands. Most of those unjustly kidnapped by the Israeli forces get beaten mercilessly, with no judge or jury, or witnesses.

Such incidents usually spark no condemnation from the world powers. But when Palestinians do the same but against Israeli military men, the Israeli government and Western powers, including the U.S., call it "terror."

Israel’s usual justification is that its army doesn't "just" kidnap, and that those Palestinians who get kidnapped are "suspects." “There is no more perverse lie than this”, the soldier said on Ynetnews.

“In all the years I served, I reached one simple conclusion: What makes a "suspect"? Who, exactly suspects him, and of what? Who has the right to sentence a 17-year-old to kidnapping, torture and possible death? A 26-year-old Shin Bet interrogator? A 46-year-old one? Do these people have any higher education, apart from the ability to interrogate? What are his considerations? If all these "suspects" are so guilty, why not bring them to trial?” the soldier asks.

Among the thousands of Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails, are dozens of women, some of whom are under-age. They are subject to several forms of torture and deprivations, which affects them badly and negatively impacts their families at the mental, social, and economical levels.

Also hundreds of Palestinian children are still imprisoned in Israeli jails. Like the rest of Palestinian detainees Israel holds, those children are exposed to inhuman forms of torture and violence, which is blatant violations of Children's Rights Convention and the International humanitarian law, both guarantee their right to live a dignified life in a safe environment.

Moreover, the military trails of those children are usually oppressive and lack the lowest level of justice.

Ending these double standards is key to ending the long standing conflict between Israel and the Palestinians. There should be a standard definition for “crime”, “terror”, and “justice”.
 

The military action by Israel in the Gaza Strip is designed to terrorize the civilian population.  This is openly acknowledged by Israeli officials.  It is being condemned by human rights groups in Israel and around the world.

Rep. Cardin has been a staunch, consistent and unwavering supporter of Israel.  He has voted for the military equipment and financial aid that provides Israel with the ability to terrorize Palestinian civilians.  It is now time for him, and others in the U.S. government, to speak out against Israel's actions.

This is another email I (Kevin B. Zeese) sent to Rep. Ben Cardin.  Mr. Cardin is running for the U.S. Senate in Maryland as a Democrat.  I am also running for that U.S. Senate seat in a Unity Campaign where I have been nominated by three parties -- Green, Libertarian, and Populist -- and have members of the Republican, Democratic Parties on my campaign committee along with independents.

July 3, 2006
Rep.  Ben Cardin
2207 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
Via email

Dear Rep. Cardin:

On June 26 I wrote you to urge you to use your voice to protest the mass violence about to occur in the Gaza Strip. At the time, the Israeli military was lining up tanks, artillery, soldiers and other military equipment on the Gaza border.  Sadly, there has only been silence, and neither your campaign nor congressional website mentions the issue. (The most recent comment you’ve made on Israel was from April 2006 urging Saudi Arabia to lift its boycott of Israel.)

The actions of Israel have worsened since my last letter to you. Sadly, Israel’s actions are complicating the release of the Israeli soldier who was captured.  Indeed, Israel’s actions, military attack, group punishment of civilians and refusal to negotiate, increase the likelihood of his death more than his release. Israel is intentionally terrorizing the civilian population to pressure the Palestinian government.  In doing so, Israel is creating a likely health catastrophe that will result in the deaths of civilians. Sadly, this is being done with weapons paid for by U.S. taxpayers – weapons and funding for which you have consistently voted. Please use your voice to speak out strongly against the Israeli terrorism.

Of particular concern are:

- An Israeli missile destroying a crucial power station in Rafah on Tuesday- a power plant that provided for half of Gaza’s daily energy needs. Residents are now left without power for much of the day. This also means residents are without water. Hospitals and clinics are now without power, causing a health emergency. It will take up to six months to repair the power station made more difficult by the bombing of all four access roads to the plant.

- The destruction of bridges and roads preventing civilians from moving to avoid the coming Israeli onslaught.

- The arrest of 64 elected members of the Palestinian government including at least eight cabinet members (half the cabinet) among them Nasser Shaer, the Palestinian deputy prime minister, Finance Minister Omar Abdal Razeq, Social Affairs Minister Fakhri Torokma and Prisoners' Affairs Minister Wasfi Kabha, some were led away blindfolded and in handcuffs.

Also, the mayor of the West Bank town of Qalqiliya and his deputy were detained.

- Aerial bombardment of the heavily populated Gaza Strip, with 30 aerial campaigns on Thursday. This has included targeting government buildings including a school in Gaza City, the office of Palestinian Prime Minister, the Interior Ministry, the office building of the Auxiliary Force as well as the offices of government officials.

More actions are being planned as the Israeli military prepares for a ground assault on parts of Gaza. Prime Minister Olmert has “ordered the army and security forces to act with all their might. . .”  The trapped Palestinian population has been terrorized further by leaflets drooped from the air warning them of further attacks. Remaining silent as this horror unfolds is a silent approval of these terror tactics by Israel.  

Israel is being condemned by human rights organizations for violating international law and the basic human rights of Palestinians. Human rights groups are criticizing Israelis' actions:

- The Israeli human rights group, B'Tselem, sent an urgent request to Israel’s Defense Minister Amir Peretz to instruct Israeli forces to refrain from bombing or deliberately damaging in any way facilities that supply indispensable services to the civilian population in the Gaza Strip. Further, they said Israel must refrain from using measures which contravene International Humanitarian Law, which categorically prohibits all sides to a conflict from attacking “objects indispensable to the survival of the civilian population.” B’Tselem pointed out that “Israel's military operation in the Gaza Strip today included Air Force bombing of Palestinian civilian infrastructure. Among the facilities hit was the central electricity relay station south of Gaza City, which caused a widespread blackout. Damage to electricity facilities is liable to severely impair the provision of indispensable services, such as water supply and health care.” See: http://www.btselem.org/english/Press_releases/20060628.asp

B’Tselem was also critical of the nightly sonic bombs over civilian neighborhoods, saying:

“The sole purpose of these sorties is to prevent the residents from sleeping and to create an ongoing sense of fear and anxiety. Regarding the sonic booms, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said that, ‘thousands of residents in southern Israel live in fear and discomfort, so I gave instructions that nobody will sleep at night in the meantime in Gaza.’ The clear intention of the practice is to pressure the Palestinian Authority and the armed Palestinian organizations by harming the entire civilian population.

“Children, in particular, suffer from the sonic booms. In the past, the Gaza Community Mental Health Center reported that the supersonic sorties caused fear among many children, which led to a loss of concentration, loss of appetite, bedwetting, and other disorders. The Center also reported that sonic booms caused headaches, stomach aches, shortness of breath, and other physical effects that appeared among both children and adults. Sonic booms also cause property damage, primarily shattered windows.

“The use of sonic booms flagrantly breaches a number of provisions of international humanitarian law. The most significant provision is the prohibition on collective punishment. Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which is intended to protect civilians in time of war, categorically states that ‘Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.’ The article also states that, ‘Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.’ Air force supersonic sorties also breach the principle of distinction, a central pillar of humanitarian law, which forbids the warring sides to direct their attacks against civilians.”


See: http://www.btselem.org/english/Special/20060703_Supersonic_booms.asp.
- Amnesty International called on Israel to put an end to the wanton destruction and collective punishment being carried out by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip. A press release issued by Amnesty International (see: http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGMDE150572006) said:

Amnesty International is also increasingly concerned by the excessive use of force and wanton destruction of civilian property and infrastructure by Israeli forces in the Gaza Strip. Since 27 June, when Israel began Operation Summer Rain, which it says is aimed at releasing Gilad Shalit, the Israeli army has deployed large numbers of troops in the South of the Gaza Strip and carried out large-scale wanton destruction. This includes the bombardment and destruction of three bridges and electricity networks across the Gaza Strip. These measures have left half the population of Gaza without electricity and have reportedly also adversely affected the supply of water.

In recent days the Israeli authorities have also closed the Rafah crossing into Egypt, the only point of entry/exit for the 1.5 million Palestinians who live in the Gaza Strip. Several hundred Palestinians who were returning from abroad have been stranded on the Egyptian side of the Rafah crossing for up to a week and are prevented from returning to their homes. Those wishing to leave the Gaza Strip are likewise prevented from leaving.

The wanton destruction of civilian infrastructure and property and the disproportionate restrictions imposed on civilians by Israeli forces amount to collective punishment on the entire population of the Gaza Strip, a violation of Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits punishing protected persons for offences they have not committed.

Amnesty International reiterates its call on the Israeli authorities and army to put an end to the excessive and disproportionate use of force against densely populated residential areas and infrastructure in the Gaza Strip, including frequent artillery shelling and air strikes which endanger the lives of Palestinian residents.

Since the beginning of this year Israeli forces have killed some 150 Palestinians, including some 25 children, and Palestinian armed groups have killed close to 20 Israelis, including two children.

- Israel's destruction of Gaza's only electrical plant needlessly punishes the civilian population and has created the potential for a serious humanitarian crisis, according to Human Rights Watch.  Sarah Leah Whitson, director of the Middle East and North Africa division at Human Rights Watch said:

“Israel must minimize the harm to Gaza's civilian population during any military operation to rescue the corporal, and that includes not destroying vital power plants.”

Human Rights Watch also expressed concern about the intentional and frequent use of sonic booms by Israeli military aircraft over Gaza, which has caused great fear among the civilian population, particularly among children. Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits “measures of intimidation” against the civilian population. As there appears to be no military justification for the use of the sonic booms, other than the prohibited practice of intimidation, Human Rights Watch urges Israel to immediately halt the practice.  This practice has been criticized in the past in November 2005, by Physicians for Human Rights- Israel and the Gaza Community Mental Health Center.

-  The civil rights group, the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), said in a statement: “Mild rebukes for the deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure in Gaza will not stop Israeli missiles. The Bush administration should condemn these war crimes and demand that Israel stops using American taxpayer-funded weapons to carry out attacks that will only serve to intensify the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.”

The complaints Israel makes of the Palestinians show the hypocrisy of their policies as they are guilty of the same actions.  Norman Finkelstein, professor of Political science at DePaul University in Chicago and author of “Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History,” made this point recently in a debate with a representative of AIPAC:

“I think it is useful to begin with what the human rights groups have to say about this. Let's leave aside the background for a moment and look narrowly at the incident that triggered the Israeli invasion. Let's see what Hamas did not do, what the Palestinian 'militants' did not do. Number one, they did not liquidate the corporal, which Israel routinely does, namely its political assassinations. That's a war crime under international law. Israel routinely does that. Hamas did not do that to the corporal.

”Number two, they didn't kill the corporal while trying to arrest him. Israel routinely does that. If you look at July 2005, B'Tselem, the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, they put out a very hefty report entitled "Take No Prisoners." And the report shows Israel routinely, during so-called arrest operations, kills Palestinians.

”It said . . . that they took him hostage, they kidnapped him. Okay. Israel routinely takes Palestinians, Lebanese hostage. In fact, Israel was the only country in the world, in 1997, which legalized hostage-taking. The liberal head of the Israeli High Court, Aharon Barak, he said it's legal, legitimate, under international law to take what he called bargaining chips in order to get prisoners, Israeli prisoners being held by the Lebanese. The decision was reversed in 2000, but Israel continued to hold Lebanese hostages until 2004. So, at worst, Hamas is being accused of what Israel legalized and routinely does.

”And finally, let's talk about those 9,000 Palestinians who are effectively hostages being held by Israel. 1,000 of them are administrative detainees. . . Administrative detainees who are being held without any charges or trial. And the other 8,000 are being held after military courts have convicted them, almost always on the basis of confessions which were extracted by torture. So if we're going to look simply at the numbers, we have one hostage on the Palestinian side, and effectively we have about 9,000 on the Israeli side.”

While Israel promises to hold elected officials in the Palestinian Territory responsible for the actions of non-governmental organizations – including openly threatening the assassination of elected officials – should the Palestinian government hold Israel responsible for the killing of civilians? For the bombing of civilian areas?  For the destruction of utilities, roads and bridges?  For terrorizing civilians? Should Prime Minister Olmert be held personally responsible for these violations of international law, as he promises to do to Palestinian officials?

More military action by Israel is promised in the Gaza Strip. Further, Israel is threatening to widen the attack beyond the Gaza Strip into Syria.  Four Israeli military airplanes entered Syrian airspace and flew low-altitude flights over the seaside home of Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad near the Mediterranean port city of Latakia in northwestern Syria. The Israeli military and Syria confirmed Israeli warplanes entered its airspace.

As a long-term supporter of Israel, your voice can make a difference.

Please speak out against Israeli terrorism and violation of international law.

Sincerely,
Kevin B. Zeese

 

Krieg gegen dich"!

Meinste das so, Kiiwii?

Zu sagen, man will Israel nicht anerkennen, was ja wohl nach wie vor umstritten ist, berechtigt Israel dann, "Härte" zu zeigen und Menschen ohne Wasser und Strom leben zu lassen?

Wenn vielleicht 100 Palästinenser, in den letzten Jahren ein "Bömbchen" in Richtung Israel abfeuerten, kann man dann heute Elektriziätswerke, Universitäten und Menschen bombardieren?

Wie Israel, ist Chef, der den Palästinensern vorschreiben will, wie sich zu verhalten haben?

Mag sein, dass 1000 Menschen, den krieg mit Israel wollen, aber deshalb hat keiner das Recht, auch ein selber mal "verfolgtes Volk" einem ganzen Volk, hundertausende, Millionen in Angst und Schrecken zu versetzen, und direkt oder auch indirekt zu quälen und zu töden.

Und, das Ganze noch, unter Missachtung der Genfer Konventionen und von Menschnrechten!

Israel ist ein Verbrecherstaat!    

;)

Nicht gleich sauer werden.

Zara

ps Hau jetz eh ab, is mir zu anstrengend.  

Wie: "ein "Bömbchen" in Richtung Israel abfeuerten", das stimmt doch nicht. Du bist sehr einseitig, und heuchelst gern, und wenn du das schreibst:

Israel ist ein Verbrecherstaat

...........dann kann man auch schrieben:

Palästinensische Regierung ist ein Verbrecherstaat

Zara

ps Schade, hat echt keinen Sinn mit euch zu reden.
 

nicht ein, geiferst nur rum.

Ich wiederhole:

die HAMAS (und andere "Anführer" der Palästinenser) sind eine Bande von Verbrechern. Denen ist ihr eigenes Volk keinen Pfifferling wert; deshalb lassen sie es leiden.


Mit Israel könnte man nämlich auch verhandeln. Statt Autobomben zu zünden oder Busse zu sprengen. Dann sähe die Welt anders aus.



MfG
kiiwii  

nö; werd nicht so schnell böse...

füx  

""So nahm Josua das ganze Land ein, ganz so, wie der HERR zu Mose geredet hatte, und gab es Israel zum Besitz, einem jeden Stamm sein Teil. Und das Land war zur Ruhe gekommen vom Kriege.""



MfG
kiiwii  

das war aber rasch....  

hast ja Recht, meien Aussagen klingen wirklich nicht nach Neutralität.

Habe einfach zuviel Wut auf Israel, weil ich es nicht verstehen kann, wie die ganze Welt diesem Krieg,  der irgendwie ähnlich ist, wie Völkermord, zuschauen kann.

Gut, ich lass es echt mal dahin gestellt, welche Bomben die Palästinenser geworfen haben, doch so viele Zerstörungen gab es dadurch wohl nicht. Jedenfalls ist kein Elektrizätswerk vernichtet worden, wie jetzt.

Und was ich primär meine, ist dieser Krieg ist nicht notwendig, sondern wohl nur aus Rache und Hass erfolgt. Israel will den Palästinensern zeigen, wer stärker ist, und die Organisation Hamas zerschlagen.
Auch hier haben ja viele die Meinung, ALLE Palästinenser sind schlecht. Ich kann mich beim besten Willen mit keiner Kollektivstrafe anfreunden, und das schon gar nicth, wenn es um das Leben von Frauen und Kindern geht.

Und es macht mich so traurig, dass wirklich hier einige das als Richtig empfinden können, dass man Menschen in Hunger und ohne Medikamten, und Strom , einfach so hält, weil man sich rächen will!

Wenn Israel die Möglichkeiten hat, und das hat ja Israel gemacht, den ganzen Landstrich von Lebensmittellieferungen und Medikamtenlieferungen abzuschneiden, das wäre das doch schon ein sooo schlimme Sache allein. Stellt Euch vor, Ihr seid Herzkrank und braucht ständig ein Medikamemnt. Wegen der Abriegelung ist die Zeit des Überlebens nur noch Tage, wenn überhaupt. So grausam ist das.    

das ist hier öfter gesagt worden.

Vielleicht beschränken wir uns darauf zu sagen, was sie machen, ohne es gleich zu werten.
Es mag sicherlich stimmen, dass Selbstmordattentate erfolgten, dass  sicher auch schon Menschen ermordet wurden, und auch Bomben geworfen wurden.

Nur frage ich dich jetzt mal, WER hat das gemacht?

Die Hamas ist seit über 2 Jahren nicht mehr für Anschläge verantwortlich.
Und bestimmt haben nicht mal 1% der Bevölkerung mit sowas zu tun.

Wenn Israel zukünftig solche Anschläge verhindern will, bzw. auch die Verantwortlichen stellen will, dann kann das nicht so gehen, dass ein ganze land besetzt wird, dass man 10,000de von menschen ohne Berechtigung, zunächst mal, festnimmt, und billigend in Kauf nimmt, dass das ganze Volk- somit 99% die bestimmt keinerlei Schuld auf sich geladen haben, leiden lässt und man diese quält!

Und Kiiwii, noch eine kurze Frage!

Ist ein Land, dass die Menschenrechte missachtet, und gegen die selber untersschriebene Genfer Konventionen verstösst, denn kein Verbrecherstaat?
Wie nennt man denn so einen Staat?    

GAZA CITY (CNN) -- Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniya on Saturday urged a halt to all military operations and a return to calm following a two-week standoff between Israelis and Palestinians ignited by the capture of an Israeli soldier.

Wa'el Abd Elal, Haniya's chief of staff, made the appeal hours after Israeli forces moved into the eastern outskirts of Gaza City.

The Hamas-led Palestinian government issued a statement saying it wants to deal with the issue diplomatically and to intensify negotiations over Cpl. Gilad Shalit, 19, the abducted soldier who is believed to be alive and in good condition.

But the statement did not provide details about talks. Egypt has been attempting to broker a solution to the impasse.

An Israeli government official said Israel would agree to a cease-fire only once the soldier is released and Palestinian militants stop firing rockets at Israel.

The Israeli military operations in Gaza began days after the June 25 capture of Shalit in a cross-border raid by militants into southern Israel.

As they entered the Gaza City area in a new offensive Saturday, Israeli forces exchanged fire with Palestinian militants and ordered Palestinian security forces to leave their outposts, Palestinian sources said. The number of casualties is unknown, the sources said.

Israeli troops have begun pulling back from the northern Gaza towns of Beit Lahiya and Beit Hanoun, according to the Israel Defense Forces. Israeli tanks stationed northwest of Beit Hanoun were looking for tunnels and explosives, the IDF said.

Israeli engineering forces also were searching for tunnels and explosives in northern Gaza west of the Karni crossing, with tanks stationed nearby for protection, the IDF said. The forces hit three Palestinian militants in the area Saturday in an exchange of fire, but the Israeli army had no information on their condition.

On Friday, the Israeli military moved deeper into Gaza, extending its stated mission to find the soldier and end Palestinian rocket launches into Israel. Nine Palestinians died Friday in battles around Gaza, Palestinian sources said; no Israelis were killed.

The escalating conflict prompted U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan on Friday to urge the U.N. Security Council to address the situation in Gaza.

Palestinian Interior Ministry spokesman Khaled Abu Hilal said this week that Palestinian security forces received orders to join the resistance and fight the Israelis, but it was unclear how many had answered the call.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas was not involved in the call to security forces, said Saeb Erakat, a Palestinian legislator and aide to the president.

Most of the Palestinian forces in Gaza are loyal to Abbas' Fatah Party, which Hamas defeated in Palestinian parliamentary elections earlier this year.

In previous conflicts, these forces have largely stayed out of the fighting between the Israeli military and Palestinian militants.

Conflicting words over prisoner swap
On Friday, Abbas said Israel promised to free captive Palestinian politicians and certain prisoners once Hamas releases Shalit.

Since Shalit's kidnapping, the Israeli military took about 60 Palestinian Cabinet members, lawmakers and other officials into custody. Israel says it holds the Hamas-led Palestinian government responsible for the soldier's disappearance.

"There are promises from Israel to release Palestinian prisoners who served 20 years or more, children, women and the sick," Abbas told a news conference, parts of which aired in Israel.

"[Egyptian President Hosni] Mubarak received those promises, and I heard them from Israeli officials. Once the soldier is released, they will do that and will pull out and will release the Cabinet members in custody," Abbas said.

But Israeli Interior Minister Roni Bar-On told Israeli television that he consulted with Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who repeated there will be no prisoner release and no negotiations with Hamas.

Mubarak said earlier this week that Hamas had approved a conditional plan for returning Shalit, but Israel rejected the proposal because it called for a prisoner swap.

Israel has rejected previous calls for prisoner exchanges, saying they would only encourage further abductions.

In an e-mail sent to journalists Friday, Hamas officials said they had a message for Shalit's family. The message says Hamas is treating him "well" and "humanely."

Also Friday, Bar-on told Israel television: "Our security estimate tonight is that Gilad is alive and in good condition."

 

Überlege mal wer nach einer relativen Ruhephase wieder
gezündelt hat....Die Palis
Die Palis wussten auch das Israel nicht die andere Backe hinhält
sondern doppelt und dreifach zurückschlägt

Weiters bleibt den Israelis nicht anderes über
als Solitarität mit dem entführten Soldaten zu zeigen
da sonst die Moral der Truppe und zugleich die Sicherheit Israels
den Bach runtergeht


Nach dem Abzug der Israelis aus Gaza ist den Palis der Feind ausgegangen
so das sie sich gegenseitig umgebracht hatten
So gesehen hat Israel mit dem Einmarsch einen Bürgerkrieg verhindert

Auch was....

 

Meinste die Entfühung des Soldaten?

Gut, das ist in der Tat eine Sache, die nicht korrekt ist!

Aber WER hat das gemacht? 1 Mio Palas, 100,000 Palas, 1000 Palas, die Familie XXYY, oder das Dorf zzww?

Eben NICHT! Sondern einige wenige Menschen, vielleicht 1000 oder so, und die darf Israel mit "Rechtsstaatlichen Mitteln" bestrafen. Und zur Rechtsstaatilchkeit gehört ganz bestimmt weder ein Krieg noch Bomben, noch eine Abriegelung und schon gar nicht 38 Todesopfer bis jetzt!

Wenn in Deutschland 5 Kurden eine Discotek in die Luft jagen, um auf ihre Lange aufmerksam zu machen, dann wirft Deutschland mal kurz an Bomben auf Gebiete, die voller Kurden sind? Verhaftet  Kurden in Deutschland? Verweigert allen Kurden in Deutschland , Wasser, Strom und Medikameente?  

Kein Kurde sagte er wolle Deutschland ausradieren
und von der Landkarte löschen
Auch ist Deutschland nicht von Feinden umzingelt
wie Israel
Weiters steht es der Pali-Regierung frei gegen Terroristen vorzugehen
macht es aber nicht,im Gegenteil

Was stellst dir eigentlich vor das Israel mit Badeschlapfen und Stöcken
in Gaza einmarschiert??

Versuche mal in Gaza mit deinen rechtstaatlichen Mitteln gegen Terroristen vorzugehen
Die Palis würden sich dämlichlachen....
 

"mit dem Einmarsch hat Israel einen Bürgerkrieg verhindert"....?...; ist aber auch ne "gewagte" These...

füx  

Höchstwahrscheinlich hat es keinen Sinn, mit Dir eine sachliche Diskussion zu führen. Dennoch will ich den Versuch wagen.

Da Du Fragen gestellt hast hier ein paar Antworten:

Einen Staat, der gegen Menschenrechte verstößt, handelt (sofern er die entsprechenden Verträge unterschrieben hat) völkerrechtswidrig. Auch wenn es kaum einer zugibt: Der Jugoslawienkrieg der NATO war auch völkerrechtswidrig, der Einsatz der Bundeswehr wohl verfassungswidrig. Aber da wir das Völkerrecht zur Verteidigung der Menschenrechte gebrochen haben, ist das ja nicht so schlimm. Schließlich heiligt der Zweck die Mittel und überhaupt: "Wir sind die Guten!"

Als Verbrecherstaat bezeichne ich einen Staat, in dem Willkürherrschaft und Unrecht gegen die Bevölkerung herrscht. Das scheint mir im Falle Israels nicht zuzutreffen. Diejenigen, die tatsächliche oder vermeintliche Opfer von Israelischen Maßnahmen sind, sind regelmäßig nicht in Israel lebende Palästinenser. Ob die Maßnahmen damit völkerrechtsgemäß sind, ist damit noch nicht gesagt. Meiner Ansicht nach wird das Völkerrecht in letzter Zeit ein wenig überhöht. Dabei wird meist vergessen, daß Völkerreicht nichts anderes ist, als Konventionen von Staaten. Das hat mit Objektivität oder Wahrheit soviel zu tun wie Kuchen backen mit Arschb....

Aber gerne können wir in's Detail gehen. Dazu bitte Dich ich ein paar Fragen zu beantworten:

1. Welche Menschenrechte mißachtet Israel?
2. Gegen welche Bestimmung der Genfer Konvention verstößt Israel?

Das dürfte einer Versachlichung der Diskussion dienen. Ein nicht begründeter pauschaler Vorwurf ist schnell erhoben.

Erlaube mir noch einige Gegenfragen:

1. Wer sind die Opfer der Selbstmortanschläge oder der Raketenangriffe?
2. Warum sind nur Frauen und Kinder "unschuldige Opfer"? Ist ein israelischer Wehrpflichtiger ein "schuldiges Opfer"? Oder ist er gar kein Opfer, sondern ein Täter, der seiner "gerechten" Strafe zugeführt wurde?
3. Warum erkennen die Palästinenser nicht das Existenzrecht Israels an?
4. Warum bringen es die palästinensischen Sicherheitsbehörden nicht fertig, daß von "palästinensichem" Boden keine Aggressionen gegen Israel geführt werden?

Auf eine spannende Diskussion
Herzbube

 

In ihrem Buch „Gaza. Tage und Nächte in einem besetzten Land“ schildert Amira Hass, israelische Journalistin und Tochter einer Familie, die den Holocaust überlebt hat, wie sie erst in Gaza, später in Ramallah jahrelang Tür an Tür mit Palästinensern wohnte und die täglichen Demütigungen durch die Besatzungsmacht, aber auch die systematische Misshandlung palästinensischer Gefangener erlebte. In der Abriegelung des Gaza-Streifens, begründet mit Sicherheitsinteressen, sieht sie eine "Kollektivstrafe", die zur Verarmung großer Teile der Bevölkerung und zum Kollaps der Wirtschaft geführt hat: Palästinenser können ihre Arbeitsplätze in Israel nicht erreichen, in Gaza produzierte Waren können nicht ausgeliefert werden, den versprochenen "Korridor" ins Westjordanland gibt es nicht. In Gaza selbst ist die Versorgung mit Wasser und Strom oft unterbrochen, die extrem ungerechte Steuerpolitik bewirkt, dass die Palästinenser für die eigene Unterdrückung zahlen.  

also wenn die UNO ne Resolution verabschiedet, wo man Israel wegen Verstösse gegen die Genver Konventionen abprangert, dann kann man ja mal annehmen, dass es so ist...


füx  

sorry muss jetzt weg und brauche auch etwas länger um Dir zu antworten!  

glaube ich zu erkennen. Es gibt einen Unterschied zwischen innerer Sicherheit und äußerer Sicherheit. Rechtstaatlichkeit ist ein Begriff, der das Verhalten des Staates auf seinem Territorium beschreibt.

Falls sich noch jemand an den Anschlag auf die Berliner Diskotek "La Belle" durch lybische Terroristen erinnert: Tripolis bekam das zu spüren.

Das hat mit Rechtsstaatlichkeit nichts zu tun. Und zwar Begrifflich.

Ob man das gut findet, ist eine andere Frage.

Oh man, wie ich diese Gutmenschen verachte. Von nichts Ahnung, aber zu allem eine Meinung.

Da sage ich doch -zur allgemeinen Aufheiterung-

"Stuttgart ist viel schöner als Berlin, schöner als Berlin, schöner als Berlin."
schlaaaand

Viele Güße
Herzbube  

Einem TYPEN wie Wilma,
mit ARGUMENTEN kommen.

Das IST, als WOLLT man
einen STEIN erweichen.

Aber RESPEKT !! :)