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01.12.09 16:18

28770 Postings, 6037 Tage flatfeedie pronleme

begannen aber im haussektor - scheinbar also bessere daten - scheinbar ;-) warten wir es ab  

01.12.09 16:19

1934 Postings, 5789 Tage TraJoe"After November's gains, what's next?" (MSN)

"Don't look for big gains in December. The market is tired. After that, keep a close eye on the Fed.
Posted by Charley Blaine on Monday, November 30, 2009 2:36 PM
Updated: 6:15 p.m. ET
Certainly compared with a year ago, the stock market's performance in November was, well, lovely.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU) finished the month at 10,344, up 6.5%. This was its best month since July and its best November since 2001.
The Standard & Poor's 500 Index ($INX) ended the month up 5.7% at 1,096, its best gain since April's 9.4% and the best November performance since 2001.
And the Nasdaq Composite Index ($COMPX) rose 4.9% to 2,145. Like the Dow, it was the best performance for the index since April and the best November since 2005.
Compare those numbers to November 2008, when the Dow fell 5.3%, with the S&P 500 down 7.5% and the Nasdaq Composite Index down 10.8%.
That sickly performance came as the market was in the midst of a slide that saw the major indexes fall for six straight months and 13 out of 17 months before bottoming in early March.
Twenty-nine of the 30 Dow stocks were up for November, led by American Express (AXP), Merck (MRK), General Electric (GE) and Walt Disney (DIS). The one laggard: Kraft Foods (KFT), down 3.4% because of investor concern about the potential cost of a takeover of Cadbury (CBY).
Meanwhile, 73 Nasdaq-100 stocks -- led by Steel Dynamics (STLD), up 25.5% -- and around 400 S&P 500 stocks were higher.
Of 124 large-capitalization stocks that Market Dispatches tracks regularly, 107 were higher, led by Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), up 52.4%.
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Also, 15 of the 20 stocks in the Dow Jones Transportation Average ($DJT) -- which is a good signal of where the economy is headed -- were higher. The index jumped 9%.
Seventeen of the 19 stocks in the Philadelphia Semiconductor Index ($SOX) were ahead, with the index up 4.5%. The biggest laggards, KLA Tencor (KLAC) and SanDisk (SNDK), were off 3.7% and 3.9%, respectively.
This may make no sense to anyone who looks at the economy. Gross domestic product grew in the third quarter after four straight quarters of decline, but the gain was 2.8% on an annualized basis, hardly robust.
U.S. unemployment is above 10% using the standard measure and worse when you add in workers who are underemployed or have simply stopped looking for work. Residential construction is a disaster and would be in worse shape if the government didn't offer large tax credits to buyers.
The dollar, which shot up in value a year ago as a safe haven, has fallen back to levels seen just before the 2008 financial crisis erupted.
So, is everybody crazy? Yes and no. Yes, because it looks as though the U.S. market is nearing a pullback -- something pundits have been talking about since the end of August, when the Dow was at 9,500.
The Dow moved up 8.6% since then, the 14th-best performance in the period between Aug. 31 and the end of November since 1928.
Here's the "no" part of the answer. The rally since March is built on four realities.
Investors have few other places to put their money. You can't put it in Treasury securities because interest rates are so low; the yield on a 90-day Treasury bill is 0.03% (yes, that's three one-hundredths of a percent).
There is a horrible fear that the Federal Reserve will be forced to raise interest rates to stem the dollar's fall. Or if the Fed doesn't raise rates, the European Central Bank will because the euro is as troubled as the dollar, especially against the yen. You can't put it in bonds because interest rates are so low. And there's that pesky fear about rates suddenly moving higher.
You can't put it in real estate because commercial real estate is weak, and residential real estate looks worse.
By the March bottom, the market was so grotesquely oversold that stocks became irresistible. So, speculators took deep breaths and bought, and the market turned.
The dollar's fall made commodity stocks hot, especially silver, copper and gold. Freeport-McMoRan Copper & Gold (FCX) is up 22.6% -- and 244% for the year.
The dollar's fall was a godsend for multinational stocks. This group includes the largest stocks, like IBM (IBM), up 4.8%, and Caterpillar (CAT), up 6.1%. And don't forget stocks like Amazon.com (AMZN), up 14.4%; Hewlett-Packard (HPQ), up 3.4%; and Google (GOOG), up 8.7%. Every dollar they earn abroad increases in value when translated back into U.S. dollars.
Many financial stocks have been smoking since the March bottom. Many big financial companies were in better shape than expected, like American Express, up 17% in November and 120% for the year.
Or they managed to survive the meltdown by shrewd maneuvers. Like Goldman Sachs (GS), down 0.3% for the month but up 101% for the year.
You can argue -- as do many pundits every day on CNBC and Bloomberg Television -- that many banks are still disasters and should be broken up, liquidated or whatever.  

But investors know the government is terrified at the prospect of either option because no one knows if the credit markets can stand it.  Bank loans have fallen 7.4% in the last year, according to Federal Reserve data. Commercial and industrial lending is down 17%. If you liquidate the banks, what replaces them in the interim?

One result: Citigroup (C) may be down nearly 40% on the year, but it's up 303% since its March low.

So, where does the weird market go next? Probably December will be flat. That idea is built on two thoughts:

The dollar isn't going to move lower. This is important because so much of the rally is a reaction to the dollar's fall.
Energy, materials and technology stocks may not move much higher. The S&P 500 technology sector index is up 51% this year. Oil has been ranging between $76 and $82 a barrel.
The real action will come in 2010, and the most important thing an investor can do is watch the Fed -- especially if you're a current believer in precious metals.  

Most analysts believe the central bank does not want to raise rates until the U.S. economy starts to see real job growth, which may come in mid-2010. (Sadly, the economy does not respond to stimuli as quickly as a computer spreadsheet.)  If the Fed is forced to raise rates before it wants to, the rally could stop very quickly and painfully."  

01.12.09 16:19

28770 Postings, 6037 Tage flatfeeholt er sich jetzt nicht realtiv schnell

die 200er gd zurück droht ein erstklssiges shortsignal mit kssback an die 200er und evtl abprall nach unten

aber ich bin jetzt erstmal wech - euch noch viel glück  

01.12.09 16:20

1632 Postings, 5866 Tage SalzlakritzOb er nach oben ausbricht oder nicht, das

kannste erst danach sagen ;) Positionieren musste dich aber vorher.

D.h du hast angenommen, dass er die 50 er nicht packt, da er eh schon angestiegen ist und 50 ne res bildet, korrekt?

Was wenn der ISM höher ausgefallen wäre, meinte wir hätten die 50 nicht gepackt? Denke schon.
Wir sind ja nicht mal großartig gefallen nach den Zahlen. Kann man wohl auch als Stärke deuten, daher meine irrige Annahme, es geht nach oben.  

01.12.09 16:21

955 Postings, 5876 Tage Mautzso,

und nun? beenden auf 733?
 

01.12.09 16:22

2177 Postings, 6085 Tage morleenewo liegt der 200 gd?

01.12.09 16:23
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59008 Postings, 7977 Tage nightflywird wohl unten raus gehen

5695 ?
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Hang them higher. (Bären-Thread #51166)

01.12.09 16:23
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836 Postings, 5887 Tage Jack_01Jetzt geht die schöne

Seitwärtsbewegung weiter. Bis die ersten die Nerven verlieren.
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>>> Wenn der Käse spricht, schweigen die Löcher.<<<

01.12.09 16:24
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8889 Postings, 6997 Tage petrussHabt

ihr endlich alle Shorts gekauft? Dann kann es ja jetzt Up gehen!!  

01.12.09 16:26

27350 Postings, 5756 Tage potzblitzzz@Dummefrage

Ich hab eine Idee... Wenn Du Dich für eine Richtung entscheidest, nehme ich die andere. Da wir beide daneben liegen, haben wir auch beide gleichzeitig gewonnen :-) Wir tauschen dann einfach das Geld aus (per Überweisung, oder so) Gute Idee? :-)  

01.12.09 16:27

867 Postings, 6001 Tage Kalimero-77banken schwaecheln

BKX

44.20

Change

-0.28 -0.63%

wenn die sich heut nicht mehr fangen duerft da nicht viel gehen nach oben im dow...  

01.12.09 16:28
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2587 Postings, 5984 Tage AktionärTürkhalli hallo

ich bin wieder da.  

01.12.09 16:30

3869 Postings, 5835 Tage Dummefrage82potz

bringt nicht.. also dir zumindst.. ich schaff es sogar bei steigenden kursen mit einem long verlust zu machen..
bundesliga reif sag ich nur.  

01.12.09 16:31
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28770 Postings, 6037 Tage flatfeespannung

kissback erstmal gelungen - jetzt muss er durch um das shortsignal zu negieren  
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01.12.09 16:32

3869 Postings, 5835 Tage Dummefrage82oh man

so daneben wie ich heute kann man doch garnicht liegen.  

01.12.09 16:33

28770 Postings, 6037 Tage flatfeeund longs

auf kisback jetzt auch raus - jetzt kann ich feierabend machen

:-)))))))))))))))))  

01.12.09 16:33
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6422 Postings, 9532 Tage MaMoefeierabend ... 35min langt ...

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MaMoe ...

01.12.09 16:34

1632 Postings, 5866 Tage Salzlakritzraus im Sinne von vk oder im Sinne von

k? ;)  

01.12.09 16:35

28770 Postings, 6037 Tage flatfeesorry chart dazu

war übrigens ne übertreibung ;-)

recht hast du mamoe - trotzdem habe ich immer bedenken die eine chance pro tag zu verpassen - wahtscheinlich das zockergen  
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01.12.09 16:36

955 Postings, 5876 Tage Mautzlong

jetzt bei 40 rausgehauen,short sl 800, da es nur ne kleine posi ist mache ich nu auch feierabend,ist mir zu blöddaß gedaddel  

01.12.09 16:37

28770 Postings, 6037 Tage flatfee@salz

raus im sinne von longs verkauft aufgrund üb unten mit der annahme schiesst bei kissback über, da viele wieder auf steigende kurse setzen

jetzt müsste es entsprechend runtergehen - aber das werde ich mit kurzen shorts nur noch übergeordnet traden - also die die immer drin sind  

01.12.09 16:39
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1632 Postings, 5866 Tage SalzlakritzMal Hand aufs Herz, flat, wieviel % Gewinn

haste heute netto gemacht? Rechne das mal auf 10.000 EUR ;)  

01.12.09 16:44
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28770 Postings, 6037 Tage flatfee@salz

ich rechne keine % - aber schauen wir mal nur die hier geposteten

bei 40 und bei 50 rein - leider nur bei 24 verkauft und bei 26 long rein und bei 39 raus

macht 55 punkte  

01.12.09 16:44

28770 Postings, 6037 Tage flatfeenachsatz

natürlich abzgl gebühren ;-)  

01.12.09 16:45
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1632 Postings, 5866 Tage SalzlakritzPunkte sind nicht aussagekräftig

Es kommt ja drauf an, wie teuer dein Schein ist.
Wenn ich poste, dass ich 10 Punkte Gewinn gemacht hab, kann es bei einem Schein von 1,00 viel sein, bei einem von 3,00 grad mal meine Gebähren und Steuern decken ;)  

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