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23.05.12 08:49
Also in der Richtung habe ich noch nichts gesehen. Alles was an OS und Zertifikaten draußen ist gibt es allerdings auch erst seit ein paar Tagen.  

23.05.12 08:52

2012 Postings, 3313 Tage BörsenkoboldAussetzung Basiswert

Also auf die Schnelle habe ich da auch nichts zu gefunden. Wenn aber der Handel ausgesetzt wird und FB dann dicht gemacht wird, wäre der offizielle Wert dann nicht 0 und damit das Maximum für einen Short OS erreicht?

 

23.05.12 09:03
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727 Postings, 4145 Tage scheroxdax

vorbörslich sieht der dax heute nicht gut aus..

hoffentlich gehts weiter runter mit der fb aktie :p  

23.05.12 09:12
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3927 Postings, 3622 Tage cookies123100% Kursgewinn erreicht

mit dem im Eröffnungsposting erwähnten Optionsschein. Selten war es so leicht Geld zu verdienen! 100% am vierten Tag nach dem Kauf ist schon eine große Nummer!  

23.05.12 09:16
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31043 Postings, 7199 Tage sportsstarunglaublich...!

EXCLUSIVE Q&A: Hedge Funder Who Bet $100 Million On The Facebook IPO Just Called And Boy Was He Furious

We just got off the phone with a hedge fund manager who says his fund owns Facebook stock "in excess of a $100 million."

The fund bought the stock Friday, after the IPO.

This source spoke to us because he is very angry about the Facebook IPO—particularly the way NASDAQ has handled it.

His allegations/claims/opinions:

NASDAQ knew its systems were broken before the Facebook IPO, and instead of aborting the offering and facing huge embarrassment, it went ahead. Traders then lost hundreds of millions of dollars as they tried to buy and sell Facebook stock without getting confirmation that their trades had been executed.
NASDAQ made the problem worse on Monday. NASDAQ told traders who thought they had sold their Facebook stock on Friday—but had actually not—to fill out a form by noon. This form asked traders to list the price at which they thought they had sold their stock and the price at which they actually had. Problem was: Many of these traders had not yet actually sold their stock. Because the form required an actual selling price, many did, dumping tens of millions of shares of Facebook stock on the market, and sending the stock price plummeting.
We reached out to NASDAQ about this story but have not heard back.
This hedge fund manager requested anonymity because "I have a mortgage" and "I'm a blue collar Wall Street guy … I could lose my job if my partners found out I was talking to you."

This hedge fund manager agreed to an interview, which we transcribed. Here is a lightly edited version of that transcription:

Business Insider: So what happened on Friday?

Anonymous Hedge Fund Manager: Early on Friday there was euphoria. You started seeing these messages out of Europe about a market being made around $70/share. We started seeing allocations were out. We heard big firms that put in for big amounts were not getting it. We heard retail customers at small firms were able to get some stock: a couple thousand shares. Then you had guys with $20 million accounts at Goldman who were getting 200 shares total. It was just kind of messed up in allocation.

Business Insider: When did things start to go truly wrong?

Anonymous Hedge Fund Manager: The message that this thing was getting traded in the $70s started getting tremendous hype. Then we started getting looks from the floor. The first was $50. Then $45. Then $42. Then it was holding at $42 for whatever reason. $42. $42. $42.

What happened was NASDAQ was delaying it.

NASDAQ held a conference call and they said we're going to delay.

While we were waiting for it to open, if you called the Morgan Stanley institutional desk, they would tell you "we can't put any buy orders in." If there were institutional investors who wanted to round out their positions they couldn't do at that point.

The stock opened at $42.

Business Insider: Why couldn't the institutional desk put buy orders in?

Anonymous Hedge Fund Manager: When you're trading big, big blocks, it goes to a trader. It goes to a desk. It's not done through a machine. The big blocks on the desk, they put their orders through NASDAQ, and they get a message of confirmation that NASDAQ has received your order.

But after Facebook opened up [the desks] didn't get the final piece: their orders were confirmed as received but not as filled.

Business Insider: How did people react to the chaos?

Anonymous Hedge Fund Manager: The guys on the buy side were very happy because Facebook opened at $42 and was trading down. The guys on the sell side were in the dark, because they did not have a clear answer from NASDAQ that the trades were done or not.

The stock closed down because the people who thought they sold early didn't sell, so they sold as the day went on.

But you still had an estimated 30 million shares that were in the dark—people who wanted to sell.

So Friday closes, everybody is saying what the fuck, I don't know if I sold or not.

Then NASDAQ sent out  a message saying "we will do a manual order close after the Friday close."

It appeared that NASDAQ was matching orders and putting them on the tape. We felt like we got our order: we thought we sold at $42.

Then over the weekend, it got fishy.

Business Insider: Fishy? Why?

Anonymous Hedge Fund Manager: We started asking questions: If we sold, who bought? My shares have to go to somebody. Who would be my contra-party? It would have to be NASDAQ. So we start wondering if NASDAQ was buying shares, or if we had actually sold.

Business Insider: Did you ever find out?

Anonymous Hedge Fund Manager: Monday morning comes. The stock is trading at $38.25. NASDAQ calls brokers and says we cannot take a position in this stock.

NASDAQ has a rule that says this is how we handle computer f--kups. NASDAQ rule 4626. It says if we f--kup we'll pay it. They have a kitty of $3 million that they'll payout.

So they told us: You need to fill out a form that says what you thought you sold it at and what you actually sold it at. The message was: If you haven't sold it, sell it.

Business Insider: That's a shocking allegation. Did NASDAQ say "sell your Facebook stock" or did you just infer that?

Anonymous Hedge Fund Manager: Their form is very basic. It has two pieces: What you should have sold it at and what you did sell it at. The form had to be in by noon. You couldn't send them a form if you didn't sell it. Your form that was due by noon would be incomplete. That forced everyone to take a loss.

We had to make a decision. We said book a loss and go to NASDAQ. In a heart beat, the stock goes to $36 because there was tremendous selling pressure in those 30 minutes.

Business Insider: So now what?

Anonymous Hedge Fund Manager: So now we're waiting on NASDAQ. Rule 4626 also limits their liability on system crashes. They'll say to the member firms: you've agreed to this limitation.

But this was not a market crash.This was alike a spaceship that was about to launch and a flashing warning light goes off and they say I'd rather launch this thing than say abort this thing. They knew this thing was fucked and they just went in and did it. This isn't a computer fuck-up. The computers told them it wasn't working. Someone had to pull it.

Think about pulling the Facebook IPO? No way. They would never do it.

Business Insider: Are you going to sue?

Anonymous Hedge Fund Manager:  There is talk of class action lawsuits. The question is will NASDAQ do the right thing. They made $400 million last year and could pay out some. There's so much exposure and so much press on this and finger pointing, if they turn around and say they screwed up but they don't care that's a pretty big deal—but yeah that may be wishful thinking.

Business Insider: Final thoughts on the IPO?

Anonymous Hedge Fund Manager:  It never stood a shot. If there was any enthusiasm for this deal, that got wiped out. Think about a guy who was going to put five grand on this. You go to Vegas and put $5,000 on the roulette wheel and it breaks, it's like, hold on, I'm not going to do that. Suddenly you're like this is Wall Street and I hate Wall Street.

Business insider: You could argue the system failure may have saved some of the Muppets, then?

Anonymous Hedge Fund Manager: No doubt. But this should have been a blockbuster. This should have traded to $60 or $70. This should have launched a wave of tech IPOs.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/...-is-he-furious-2012-5#ixzz1vftfQ2gC


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23.05.12 09:18
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44542 Postings, 7505 Tage Slaterboahhh

dieser Hedge Fonds Manager...was macht der eigentlich hauptberuflich?  

23.05.12 09:44

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23.05.12 09:47

2012 Postings, 3313 Tage BörsenkoboldGenta

Hast Du heute für den einen Cent Kursanstieg gesorgt und suchst nun einen Abnehmer für die Aktien?

 

23.05.12 09:50

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23.05.12 09:56

2012 Postings, 3313 Tage BörsenkoboldDas beantwortet meine Frage nicht. ;-)

23.05.12 09:59
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823 Postings, 3654 Tage trader999Die Aktien

ist evt. 5 Dollar wert, aber mehr denke ich nicht. Viel zu übertrieben.

 

GIER FRISST HIRN!!!

 

23.05.12 10:02

924 Postings, 4486 Tage Olavachewieso sollst nicht runtergehn.. hier gehts runna

bis die feuerwehr kommt. das dauert bis pennystock noch ein paar monate.. ne ich hoff das fbi macht suckerberg nicht ding fest für sein genialen coup.. endlich mal ein echter held wie robin houd eigentlich.. !respekt daumen hoch XD  

23.05.12 10:20

901 Postings, 4045 Tage steve87jetzt steigt die Aktie wieder an,

bis um 14 Uhr der vorbörsliche Handel in den USA beginnt und dann gibts wieder den Kurssturz. Jeden Tag das selbe Spiel.  

23.05.12 11:30
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2113 Postings, 3477 Tage Shorthate-2.0tja

erst haben Medien weltweit den Wert gepusht - Ergebnis: Er ist abgekackt!

Nun wird weltweit durch die Medien gebasht - wahrscheinliches Ergebnis: Heute Nachmittag wirds grün.

- Mein Fazit: Bin ich froh, dass ich diesen Nerds nicht einen hartverdienten Penny geschenkt hab! :-)

Den Investierten hier, viel Glück ! - ihr werdet es brauchen!  

23.05.12 11:57

17 Postings, 3799 Tage Dalmatian1Pre-market: 30.48 -0.52 (-1.68%)

Könnte schon heute unter 30 rutschen.  

23.05.12 12:08

2012 Postings, 3313 Tage BörsenkoboldHast Du nen Link?

23.05.12 12:23

2012 Postings, 3313 Tage BörsenkoboldDanke!

23.05.12 14:51

924 Postings, 4486 Tage Olavacherolf, heute strengt sich faggotbook an..

da die ersten klagen reinschneien..  

23.05.12 15:06
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56 Postings, 4438 Tage CyberhonkOh! Was ist da los ?

Pre-market: 31.71 +0.71 (2.29%)
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23.05.12 15:12
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3927 Postings, 3622 Tage cookies123Ich

erwarte noch in dieser Woche einen nennenswerten Kursanstieg der Facebook-Aktie. Dann kann man den im Eröfnungsposting genannten Optionsschein ggf. günstiger kaufen bzw. nachkaufen. Habe noch zwei andere "Baustellen", bin immer noch drin im Facebook-Schein.  

23.05.12 15:18
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2012 Postings, 3313 Tage BörsenkoboldOha

Was geht denn jetzt ab. Wäre ich doch erst mal noch lieber draußen gewesen. Genau davon ging ich ja gestern aus und bin leider(!) zu früh raus.

 

23.05.12 22:09
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3657 Postings, 4365 Tage mamex7Aktionäre verklagen auch Facebook-Chef

Wegen Börsendebakel: Aktionäre verklagen auch Facebook-Chef - manager magazin - Finanzen
Für Facebook-Chef Mark Zuckerberg braut sich gewaltiger Ärger zusammen. Gleich mehrere US-Regierungsbehörden und der Bankenausschuss des US-Senats nehmen den verpatzten Börsengang seines Unternehmens unter die Lupe - und erste Anleger haben Klagen eingereicht.
 

23.05.12 22:24
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3927 Postings, 3622 Tage cookies123halb so wild

Das heutige Kursplus ist meiner Ansicht nach nur eine technische Gegenbewegung.  

23.05.12 22:31
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3099 Postings, 3846 Tage josef9020Vielleicht

gehts morgen nochmal kurz hoch, dann ergeben sich wieder gute (Nach-)Kaufgelegenheiten, um short zu gehen.

Mittel- bis langfristig erwarte ich eher ein einstelliges Kursniveau.  

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